On 2017-01-30 18:14, Timothy Hobbs wrote: > If you are on linux, you might try this very new feature: > https://criu.org/Main_Page > > On 01/30/2017 17:29, Jim Mack wrote: >> You could also set up factor as a local web server, and send bash >> requests to it through a web page, and it would be able to accomplish >> them locally (or remotely) and report you the results. It would be a >> quick round-trip cycle with great feedback and the ability to bookmark >> commands. >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 1:39 PM, <pet...@riseup.net >> <mailto:pet...@riseup.net>> wrote: >> >> On 2017-01-29 16:20, John Benediktsson wrote: >> > It would be nice to improve startup time. I imagine some low >> hanging >> > fruits if we looked deeply into it. I'll make a note to get that >> on my >> > list, unless someone looks into it sooner. >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Jan 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, pet...@riseup.net >> <mailto:pet...@riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> I spend a lot of time writing small scripts, often in bash. >> That is >> >> becoming a more and more painful task as bash is a nice-enough >> >> language >> >> on the first look but in the end it seems to go out of it's way >> to >> >> trip >> >> you up with every character you type. I don't mean to rant, I >> know >> >> it's >> >> an old language that has to keep a lot of backward >> compatibility and >> >> it >> >> actually still serves very well for what it was designed for, >> as long >> >> as >> >> your script stays <100 lines. Still, there's a lot to be >> desired. >> >> >> >> Factor is a cool language, it's very expressive, mature, has a >> lot of >> >> libraries and has all sorts of tricks up its sleaves to bend it >> to >> >> your >> >> will (much like lisp in that regard). It would be a fun >> experiment to >> >> write a library or EDSL (embedded DSL) for bash-like scripting. >> >> However >> >> there's a bone to be picked: >> >> >> >> $ time bash -c '' >> >> bash -c '' 0.00s user 0.00s system 94% cpu 0.004 total >> >> >> >> $ time factor-vm -e='' >> >> factor-vm -e='' 0.12s user 0.05s system 99% cpu 0.178 total >> >> >> >> I know one can create a custom image and maybe cut down on the >> startup >> >> a >> >> bit, but my question is - would it be possible to cut it down >> to >> >> bash's >> >> startup time *and* still have all the necessary vocabularies in >> it? I >> >> don't want to know the startup time with a small image that has >> like >> >> nothing in it, I can quickly test that myself. I'd need help to >> answer >> >> - >> >> if you imagine the use case I'm talking about, include all the >> vocabs >> >> that use case would need and make all other possible >> optimizations (if >> >> there are) without sacrificing too much, can the startup reach >> similar >> >> times? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ------------ >> >> Peter Nagy >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Factor-talk mailing list >> >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Factor-talk mailing list >> > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> >> Hi John, >> >> you think you can reach similar startup times? That would be >> really >> cool. I guess your todo list is rather long though. >> >> As a side note, are there other concatenative languages you know I >> could >> look at? >> >> -- >> ------------ >> Peter Nagy >> ------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
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