I agree that the TMO can't be singled out, and if I did, I was in error.
There's tons of New Age stuff around, just as there was in Germany before and
during Hitler. Also, don't forget that I've been a meditator for going on
sixty-two years now. The worst thing I've said about TMO and other New Age is
that they may have been a distraction. They may have prevented political
action when stories of torture first came out. And then, nobody has touched my
question about the Burmese monks giving their lives for democracy and the
political freedom of others while we are doing what exactly?
There is some evidence that American concentration camps are already built (and
note I said evidence, I did not say proof), then those who man the gas valves
will most likely not be the TM crowd. On the other hand, none of us know what
we might do when faced with either following a command or facing torture and
death. a
Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
His point, Angela, seems to be that your paralleling the TMO and Nazi Germany
is not to be taken seriously because, unlike the Nazis, the movement has never
committed violence. True. However, fiesty Feste, Angela did already address
this fact in her first or second post on the subject. She said the Third Reich
prepared its people to be nonchalant about mass murder by instilling New Age
principles in them in advance of the violence. So the fact that violence has
not yet erupted in the current situation could mean we're not yet at that
stage.
I believe, though, Angela, that Maharishi's movement can't be singled out for
instilling in our culture ideas that are damaging to individual responsibility,
discriminating thought, and the integrity of the individual ego. The same
attitude is coming from all directions, not just TM. We're finding it in
Buddhism (as it's usually taught in the West), Eckart Tolle, certainly in
Byron Katie, and very strongly in the Neo-Advaitin gurus. The good parts of
Eastern philosophy that I glommed onto as a girl have pretty much been
forgotten and taken over by what is either distortions of the original
teachings or -- maybe the insidiousness was there all along and I was too young
to see it. MMY's movement is becoming scary with the rajas stuff and is setting
itself up in a way that could turn militant. As such it stands out as
particularly suspect. But I believe something deeper is afoot, which all these
"spiritual" movements are serving in concert with each other.
- Bronte
Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your first question misses my point so completely, I'm at a loss as to
how to respond. And no, it's not hard to live in this town. I chose it and
love it here. a
feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How many Jews has Maharishi murdered?
How many death camps has he set up?
It must be hard for you living in this town, surrounded by a movement
that resembles the Nazis so closely.
It seems to me that your mind is so distorted, heaven knows by what,
that you cannot make clear distinctions between things.
But welcome to this board. You truly belong here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have no idea what you mean when you say, "And are these same ideas
being cloned onto splinter satsang groups?" As for your other
question, "Are there significant parallels between the Third Reich and
Mahesh's spiritual movement, I'd say definitely there are. Name any
article of faith you find repeated in this town, name any of the often
repeated quotes of things Mahesh is supposed to have said, and it was
repeated and believed in Nazi Germany. They didn't call it
enlightenment, but they were all striving to be the Ubermensch. It
meant basically the same thing. Devotion to the Guru was important,
and the Guru, for the SS, was Hitler. They thought of themselves as
pure warriors monks. They could get married, of course, but they had
to have permission from on high, and the girl had to pass muster.
Purity of the nervous system was purity of the blood. They believed in
karma, and in performing action established in Being. They believed
in detachment and they believed
> in higher states of consciousness. They had nine of them. Gotta
run. a
>
> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
>
> Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to
establish the New World Order. In fact, he was told in those exact
terms, New World Order, that he would be "instrumental" in
establishing it. He wasn't told that he'd only be a step along the
way, though. He believed he was to be the big enchilada---the
thousand-year Reich was to be sat-yuga. The antisemitism was not real
in the same sense that the terrorists we're all afraid of today are
not real. Hitler needed a single enemy to focus the people's attention
on. There is even some evidence that Jews supplied him with the
notion that they could be that single enemy. It's not conclusive
evidence, but certainly the Warburgs were involved in it, in spite of
the fact that Paul Warburg lost two close relatives in the death
camps. a
>
>
>
> Are there really significant parallels between the Third Reich and
Mahesh "yogis" spiritual movement though? And are these same ideas
being cloned onto splinter satsang groups?
>
>
> Rick posted a very interesting link to a video which purported to be
by an ex-KGB agent which claimed groups like the KGB were observing
the TMO for ideas in undermining nations.
>
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