Steven, You say you have seen no kids, but in the same paragraph you mention parents and guardians.
They're kids. I dare you to tell me again that they're not kids. They're kids, and like everyone under the age of 30, they can be easily swayed by experienced manipulators, desperate conditions of life, parental pressures, etc. Here we are back on the issue of predation again. They're kids. I note that you do not address my questions of fact. Barbed wire? Personal social freedoms? Where the money goes? Etc. If you cannot give facts about these issues, Steven, then, well, just fuck you. It might be the holiest of holy ashrams with the purest of pure souls and each child there is an angel in disguise, but if the barbed wire and everything else is true, it's a concentration camp to some degree, and any degree is enough evil to deserve the hottest place in hell. I understand ancient traditions. Parents are allowed to sway their kids into having religious goals. Cultures are allowed to decide on all the issues like child abuse, capital punishment, legal rights, etc. But there is a universal law that all cultures must obey if historians are ever to judge them to have been life-supporting. And yeah, there's a ton of wiggle room. Cultures can have multiple marriages, sati, burkas, clitorectomies, hands chopped off, and every manner of cruel extremes of moral-control. They're allowed, right? I hate it, but they're allowed. But some values are deeper. Kids don't get raped legitimately in any culture that I know of. Non-physical abuse is less likely to be spotlit, but, yeah, kids might get brainwashed into being street beggers, but no society approves of their mentors doing such to them. As much as it is allowed in almost every culture, the lip-service is always anti-child-abuse. I'm guessing that probably the Pundit Kids aren't getting physically abused behind the barbed wires, cuz, hell, they'd just hop that fence and live in the basement of an uncle in Cleveland, but, strangely, mental abuse can be just as devastating and yet much harder to "see." I remember as a child that my Catholic buddies told me that they'd have to kneel on rice while saying the Lord's Prayer as a punishment of some sort imposed on them by nuns. Even at 10 years old, I could strip away the religious trappings and see the sickness parts -- the cruelty of nuns was common kid-gossip in my neighborhood of blue collar, mostly Polish, families. Those nuns, man, they were ruler-slapping knuckles so often you'd have thought that the parochial schools would be sending out rhythmic pulses like steel-drum bands. It didn't square with my young mind then, and abusive control of the Pundit Kids just might not square with me now if what's been said here about their situation is true. Come on, come on, come on, the TMO never does anything that doesn't have a profit motive. By this very history, the TMO use of these kids is suspect, and since it's, you know, precious young souls at possible risk, the TMO has a much larger burden of proof to meet. It shouldn't be a case of "Edg can't prove jack shit," and instead be a case of "Here's all the records, interview any child, talk to the parents, here's our books that show how much money has been raised." Like that. My paranoia shows when I am surprised that more emails from Dick Mays haven't already hit the in-boxes asking for even large sums than "winter coats" would involve. Since that hasn't happened, my cynicism is a notch lower, but maybe, and it seems very much to be the case, this "winter coats" thing is just the start of the begging, or at the least, it absolute proof of incredibly bad planning if cold cold Iowa was never considered in the provisioning of these kids. Give me a break. If winter coats weren't in the plans, the kids should never have been brought here, right? I mean, "Send your sons to America and risk their freezing to death if they can't get enough donations by being pitiful, pious and poor in front of the rich American donors" was not the message to any family in India, right? I think anyone who planned the Pundit Kids scenario should be fired for the failure to insure their safety. Maybe even brought on international fraud charges. Give me a list of the families and lets see if I can get a lawyer to start a class action suit. Steven, can you get that list? Who could? If not you, who? The TMO has never answered a single critic about anything. Gossip abounds about the dog-lust adulteries of Bevajohn. These are the leaders of a children's astral crusade? I'm glad they're at least heterosexual predators instead of pedophiles, but a sex offender is a sex offender is a sex offender. What will they allow to happen right under their noses if their noses are not offended by their own actions? These men have no place in any righteous society with such brazen open marauding on the congregation. Protectors of children? I dare Bevajohn to make one statement about their heartfelt parental role in nurturing these kids. Each one of them has destroyed many marriages and didn't give a fuck for any of the kids involved, so no, no, NO NO NO they shouldn't be involved in a children's ashram. Children's ashram. Children's ashram. Children's ashram. Who's idea was this? Someone's made a buck. And all of this is based on the concept of the Maharishi Effect? They could have a children's ashram 1000 times bigger than Vedic City's if they'd built the ashram in India where a buck goes a looooong way. This isn't about getting enough bodies meditating and doing yagyas, cuz, if it's just body-count, it would be best done in India. Oh hell, it's the money, money, money. So, now that I've thought about a few sentences more, Steven, go to hell, you're an enabler. In 1944 Germany, your clothing would stink of burning flesh. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I haven't seen any kids, they all look like adults to me. If you go to > the sites of Maharishi's educational institutions in India you will > see forms that parents or guardians have to sign acknowledging the > childs participation and guranteeing their good behaviour etc. > Also I see some typical American idea of superiority here thinking > that somehow you are more democratic, just , the rule of law doesn't > exist elsewhere blah blah its all a delusion you are not more civilised. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Reacting to the concept that the Pundit Kids were kidnapped, someone > > wrote this to me in a private email: > > > > "bravo.... > > > > bravo... > > > > bravo... > > > > thank you....... > > > > you're my new hero... > > > > signed... > > > > paranoid in fairfield (fear-field)" > > > > Erp, maybe I should try to step up to this plate better. I was being > > poetically largish, of course, when I used this concept, but the email > > above braced me into thinking a bit harder about it. > > > > Were the Pundit Kids kidnapped? > > > > Of course not, but yes. > > > > Yes, if money is dangled in front of an utterly poor Hindu family that > > is asked to send one of its sons to America in return for, what? This > > is the hole in my knowledge. Are poor families being bribed into > > sacrificing one child for the sake of the family? How much money for > > a kid does the TMO pay? > > > > My guess would be: nothing -- it's enough that a family is relieved of > > the cost of feeding that child, and the family gets this opportunity > > to have a kid who "might stay in America and get a job and send tons > > of money back to the family." With almost a billion poor families, > > this may be an easy scenario to "sell" in India. > > > > In India, harsh poverty is the norm. Get the picture? Think "three > > times America's population" -- hundreds of millions -- we're talking > > no running water and maybe only one light bulb for a home, and the > > clothes worn are the only clothes owned. We're talking sati widows > > sizzling on coals holding back their screams. We're talking about > > villages that will get a notion and end up dragging a person out of a > > hut and beating that person to death in front of everyone, and knowing > > that cops will do nothing about a "religious punishment." In such a > > milieu, selling a kid may be considered a great benefit, a lottery > > won, huzzah huzzah. Who would dare discount the intensity of the > > desperation in the minds there? > > > > So, yeah, almost certainly, a massive kidnapping seems the most likely > > scenario. I mean, does any expect that Girish headed up a two hundred > > person team to scour India for the best, most religious families with > > the purest hearted sons intent on gaining a priestly education? > > > > Nope, I don't. I think they went to one town, yelled out, "Anyone > > want to get rid of a kid?" and then beat back the crowds while trying > > to find the families with the least wherewithal to complain about the > > eventual "use" of their child. > > > > And how are "Our Holy Children of the Corn" treated here? I don't > > know, but the little I heard was that they are severely proctored, > > impounded, and watched over like Guantanamo prisoners. Are these kids > > allowed to quit the program, find fault with the program's > > restrictions, write to anyone via email, have online access at all, > > have a beer in town, watch TV, see a woman wearing pants instead of a > > dress, call home anytime, have non-pundit friends, go to a party, ask > > a serious question, sing a popular song, smile at or make eye contact > > with a non-pundit, talk about the challenges of ashram life?????? > > > > I'm thinking, nope, they don't gots that. The barbed wire enclosing > > their area -- is that really true? Hoping I'm way paranoid and that > > these kids have a chance to, you know, BREATHE. > > > > How much do we get to know about the TMO's money raising operations? > > Not much, right? I mean, these Pundit Kids could have been used in > > every country of the world as heart-tuggers. We seemingly raised the > > funds here in America to support the program, but, come on, didn't the > > TMO tell all the TB's in Germany to donate for that cause too? Why not > > get every TB enclave in the world to think that their group is the one > > most needing to pony up? Hey, just askin'!!!! Maybe those Pundit > > Kids are worth their weight in gold to Girish with a ROI of, say, 1000%? > > > > Sweaters, boots, hats and coats for the Pundit Kids? > > > > HELL FUCKING NO!!!! How about FREEDOM FOREVER? > > > > I'll tell ya, this is a great story for some national reporter to > > really pick up on. This could be spun into, you know, "Children Held > > Hostage In Barbed Wire Camps In Iowa" headlines. I'm just sayin'. > > > > So, somebody smack me with some good news about this, cuz right now, > > given my above suspicions, I'm thinking that everyone in Fairfield is > > like the town-folks living next door to Auschwitz. > > > > Smoke, I don't smell no smoke. > > > > Edg > > >
