Hi, Hughes, I did read that post, and thanks. Good for you for going
to the bother of doing some research. I respect your opinions, even
where I disagree, and have that book you recommend on my reading
list.
Best regards,
- Bronte
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brontebaxter8"
> <brontebaxter8@> wrote:
> >
>
> Hey Bronte, did you miss my post "David Icke - the verdict" from a
> week ago? Perhaps it's worth the effort to find it as it might shed
a
> bit of light on DI and his thought processes, all my own opinions
of
> course but I'd be interested to see if you agree with me on any of
it.
>
> I have a good reading suggestion for you as well, which will give
you
> a different perspective on life for sure.
>
>
>
> >
> > I think we ARE shell-shocked. We are in denial. When someone
moves
> > past confusion that into a radical understanding or solution,
they
> > are hooted down as crazy or anti-American. David Icke, for
example.
> > Here's a guy who has connected all the dots in a brilliant way
that
> > deserves real consideration, but all you have to do is MENTION
that
> > name to get branded as (quoting a former friend) "a bug-eyed cult
> > zombie." People are scared to think outside the box, because of
the
> > implications. Things are so seriously cockeyed and wrong, that
even
> > to peak over the edge of the box is practically terrifying.
Better
> to
> > pretend things are fine, have friendly debates about what
political
> > candidate will save America, and totally disregard the problems
> that
> > go so deep no phony political system can ever address them.
> >
> > We have a two-party system? "The people" elect the president? Our
> > last election proved both concepts to be illusions. Two
> presidential
> > candidates, from "opposite" parties, who "never knew each other"
at
> > their shared alma mater, Yale, though they were just a year apart
> and
> > in the same elite Yale secret society! The electoral college
> decides
> > who gets elected, not the people. Democracy is an illusion and
has
> > been for a long time.
> >
> > How is it we miss that? For one thing, because we're told how
free
> we
> > are, by the very people who run the show for us. Because they
give
> us
> > a "two-party system" that allows only the people who are one of
> them
> > to make it to the top, filtering out all genuine people as
> candidates
> > long before the time of the national vote. Keep 'em busy arguing
> over
> > who's better, Obama or Hillary, and do whatever you like behind
the
> > scenes to tighten the snare a little more around freedom,
because,
> > who's really watching? The press ideofies anyone with intelligent
> > criticism -- Icke for example again. Embarrass him on national
> > television, twist his words and get everyone laughing at him, and
> no
> > one will hear the little voice of a man who saw through
deceptions
> no
> > one else was sharp enough to question.
> >
> > You are right to be outraged. You have great integrity. Keep
> shoving
> > it in our face, and eventually the very discomfort of that has to
> > wake people up. It's not a popular position, but a heroic one.
Such
> > outcries are our only hope. You go, Edg.
> >
> > - Bronte
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It takes a thorn to remove a thorn.
> > >
> > > I'm going to re-post below my early essay about true evil in the
> > > world. This essay got exactly zero thread comments, yet in it
I
> > wave
> > > a flag of desperation for today's downtrodden.
> > >
> > > I think it is an example of important whining that has
conceptual
> > > clout and deserves to be repeated endlessly until the situation
is
> > > rectified. In it I present one of the most repugnant concepts
> I've
> > > ever put into words here, but not a single person here
reacted.
> > >
> > > How to interpret this silence? I think most of us are shell
> shocked
> > > -- too banged up to care about the injustices of the world --
> merely
> > > treading the water lost in a sea of political impotency.
> > >
> > > I could have written the essay as a sugary sweet cheerleading
for
> > the
> > > love-virtues that need to be supported in the culture's
> > consciousness,
> > > but I doubt that such an essay would have gotten any responses
> here
> > > either. In fact, I've posted MANY wonderfully sweet tales and
> poems
> > > and "cool ideas," but I've gotten flamed here more often than
> patted
> > > on the back. My karma, but, so too has everyone here posted
> > > unrequitedly about their POVs.
> > >
> > > When it comes to neighborliness, we're in short supply.
> > >
> > > I don't need pats on the back cuz I do that for myself far
better
> > than
> > > anyone here could, cuz I am a good writer/narcissist with a
> jyotish
> > > chart to prove it, but geeze I keep coming here and posting
what I
> > > consider to be emotionally involving, well presented, POVs
about
> > core
> > > truths of life, and, like everyone here attempting the same
kind
> of
> > > community scholarship, flames or zilch is the common reward
> instead
> > > of, you know, a group discussion storming inside our heads for
> days
> > > with ever fractaling nuances as we move to unity of opinion.
> Whew,
> > > wouldn't that be something new for us here!!!
> > >
> > > Okay, here's that post. You tell me: is it mere whining or a
> > > standing up for cultural improvement?
> > >
> > > Edg
> > >
> > > Are you for war?
> > >
> > > I think this upcoming vote is a critical "taking of America's
> > psychic
> > > temperature," and, given that Hillery is leading in the polls,
and
> > > that the Dems have not confronted BushCo with any potency, I am
> > > dumbfounded that anyone would vote for either Dems or Repubs --
> > > they're all so obviously in the grasp of GlobalBiz.
> > >
> > > Hillary's lead can only be real if the heart and soul of
America
> is
> > > shockingly tainted.
> > >
> > > And, it burns so fiercely to see such an angelic presentation
like
> > > Obama's and know he's already got 32 million bucks -- bought
and
> > paid
> > > for -- and fast becoming an "Uncle Tom." And Obama succeeds
while
> a
> > > REAL angel like Kucinich is an object of derision (Leprachaun's
> > body)
> > > by even Jon Stewart.
> > >
> > > I keep asking, "How is it that Americans don't know about
pain?"
> > Even
> > > a papercut should have taught us that wars leave scars that are
> like
> > > acid on skin, leave memories of injustice that will not stop
> boiling
> > > inside the heads of parents, brothers, sisters, sons and
> daughters,
> > > and doom a generation to experiencing a personality hobbled
with a
> > > crippling intent to exact revenge.
> > >
> > > Ask anyone who lost a loved one in the fall of the 911 towers if
> > > they've stopped grinding about it.
> > >
> > > I haven't.
> > >
> > > Didn't you lose a loved one then too? Hundreds of hero cops and
> > > firefighters killed instantly? Who can recover from this?
> > >
> > > How evil the powers that keep whole cultures blazing with anger
by
> > > such atrocities.
> > >
> > > Almost every American has seen The Godfather where even the
> children
> > > of one's enemy must be killed, because those children will
surely
> > seek
> > > revenge when they grow older, because, OF COURSE, they will not
be
> > > able to forgive, could never be able to forgive, and are
> impossibly
> > > hard-wired forever to hate.
> > >
> > > What Evil Group Consciousness is created by our mass killings
in
> the
> > > Middle East? We know how we've been challenged to bear the
memory
> of
> > > 9-11 -- what don't we get about our killing at least 100 Arabs
for
> > > every person who died in the towers?
> > >
> > > What loathsome monster of karma now lurches our way?
> > >
> > > Why don't Americans flinch when talking about war and what
> momentums
> > > are created that continue for lifetimes? Ask any Jew if they
know
> > > someone with a Nazi tattoo.
> > >
> > > No one forgets. These things echo and inform and forcefully mold
> > > cultures.
> > >
> > > What prevents EVERYONE from knowing this tarbaby? Why can't
> > Americans
> > > feel this world groan under the weight of all the wars and what
> > still
> > > roils billions into every sort of negativity?
> > >
> > > Who hasn't seen a napalmed baby in a ditch or its equivalent
> EVERY
> > DAY
> > > MANY TIMES ON EVERY CHANNEL?
> > >
> > > Jack Baur doing a waterboarding -- that's PRIME TIME -- KIDS
> > WATCHING
> > > TOO - THAT'S OUR ENTERTAINMENT???????
> > >
> > > Spending half a trillion dollars on pillaging the lives of
> hundreds
> > of
> > > millions of innocents while America's downtrodden poor cringe --
> > this
> > > is politely talked about on CNN like, well, just like how good
> > loving
> > > Nazi families talked about Krystalnacht around the nightly
dinner
> > > table, right?
> > >
> > > 2012 cannot come fast enough, but how dangerous is this long
fall
> > > towards it? After the masses realize that the tipping point
> happened
> > > way before anyone noticed, after the noticing starts, panic in
the
> > > streets might be the most common response as folks everywhere go
> > > through the stages of grief.
> > >
> > > 1. Denial: "It can't be happening. America isn't a fascist state
> > > that tortures, invades, imperializes."
> > > 2. Anger: "Who let this happen? Off with their heads!"
> > > 3. Bargaining: "Just don't rock the boat. They're still letting
us
> > > vote, and they'll change presidents soon, and maybe we can all
> get
> > along."
> > > 4. Depression: "Globalbiz cannot be beat. A trillion gallons of
> > > tattoo ink will be used to stamp 666 on every forehead."
> > > 5. Acceptance: "It's going to be OK. 2012 is just around the
> > corner."
> > >
> > > I'll tell ya, America has never had a Bastille Day, but I think
> that
> > > the powers of GlobalBiz are pushing our culture way too fast,
and
> > the
> > > masses are not being given enough assimilation time for each
> erosion
> > > to our Bill of Rights. Is the pressure mounting so much that
the
> > poor
> > > will do an uprising? I doubt it, but how then will all that
stress
> > > show itself in our culture?
> > >
> > > More bad, lots more bad, right?
> > >
> > > I'll tell ya, voting for Dennis Kucinich just ain't a gonna cut
> it
> > for
> > > me. Even he wouldn't suggest the death penalty for Bush, right?
> > >
> > > So here's what I can do: if anyone, ANYONE even slightly
suggests
> > > that mass carnage is acceptable, that Hillary is not as evil as
> > Bush,
> > > I'm going to start raging, screaming, ranting, on the spot.
Yeah,
> > > make a total fool of myself.
> > >
> > > Why? Cuz, well, that's what you'd do right?
> > >
> > > You'd do that, right? You'll scream your throat raw if anyone
> says
> > in
> > > your presence that they're going to vote for Hillary.
> > >
> > > I'm absolutely sure you do that.
> > >
> > > Okay, you don't want to admit you'd do that?
> > >
> > > I'm telling you: if you had clarity, you'd do that.
> > >
> > > Still in stage one "denial?"
> > >
> > > Okay, you asked for it. Here's the clarity you're missing:
> > >
> > > If you opened a bedroom door and found your 42 year old next-
door
> > > neighbor shoving a two inch wide cock up your four year old's
ass,
> > > would you even pause?
> > >
> > > Yeah, you got the rage inside you too; it's available, eh?
> > >
> > > So don't tell me you're voting for Hillery, or I'll have the
exact
> > > same response, cuz she isn't advocating anything "tame" like a
two
> > > inch cock up one kid's ass, she's for torturing millions of
> children
> > > by killing their families, letting privateers rape their
> cultures,
> > and
> > > turning each precious soul into a stone cold killer.
> > >
> > > THAT'S HOW GLOBALBIZ FUCKS KIDS.
> > >
> > > Why are we pausing?
> > >
> > > Why would anyone expect anyone to be able to politely talk
about
> > what
> > > Hillary intends to do?
> > >
> > > Don't expect me to pause.
> > >
> > > Edg
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brontebaxter8"
> > > > <brontebaxter8@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > <snip to>
> > > > >...result has not only defined and
> > > > > sharpened my perspective on the subject but has inspired a
> > > > > book which I now have started writing. The title: "Blowing
> > > > > the Whistle on Enlightenment: Allegations of a New Age
> Heretic."
> > > >
> > > > Why am I not surprised? :-)
> > > >
> > > > Be sure to include a chapter on, "What to do
> > > > when someone won't let you monopolize the
> > > > conversation in the group he moderates?" The
> > > > content could include such tidbits as, "Make
> > > > a big deal out of stalking off the forum, but
> > > > hang onto the grudge and then, within days,
> > > > come back to the forum to post negative arti-
> > > > cles about the teacher that the offending
> > > > person likes." *That* will wow them over at
> > > > Publisher's Weekly. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Bronte, I have to say that I nailed you as a
> > > > compulsive Whiner with your first posts here,
> > > > and you have (unfortunately) not disappointed.
> > > >
> > > > I consider it a real pity that someone with a
> > > > mind as potentially sharp as yours can't get
> > > > past her scars from the past to some kind of
> > > > balance in the present. I have challenged you
> > > > in the past here to do one simple thing -- some-
> > > > thing that should be a breeze for someone who
> > > > considers herself as smart as you obviously
> > > > consider yourself -- write something positive.
> > > >
> > > > One post. One in which there is zero negation
> > > > or putdown of something you don't like, only a
> > > > presentation of something you *do* like and
> > > > that you think might be valuable for other folks.
> > > > One post in which you are *for* something, not
> > > > merely *against*. You have proven yourself
> > > > incapable of performing this simple task. As
> > > > I suggested when I proposed the challenge, I
> > > > honestly don't think you *can* any more.
> > > >
> > > > If (a big if) you ever write the book you claim
> > > > to be writing, I'm sure there will be a large
> > > > and profitable market for it. But you should
> > > > know that when it hits Santa Fe, the owners
> > > > of the best bookstore in town will take one
> > > > look at it and put it on the shelf in the section
> > > > of the store clearly labeled, WHINERS.
> > > >
> > > > Really. The owner and the employees of the store
> > > > originally labeled this section CRITICISM, but
> > > > after noticing the tone, the content, and the
> > > > consistent "me-fixation" of the authors, they
> > > > ordered a new sign and called the section
> > > > WHINERS. The patrons of the store, even the ones
> > > > who browse there, love it. It captures the tone
> > > > and the mindset of the books stocked there.
> > > >
> > > > The thing that *all* of the books in the section
> > > > have in common, no matter which spiritual trip
> > > > or psychiatric practice or self-help technique
> > > > they're ragging on, is that they are only negative.
> > > > There isn't an ounce of positive suggestion for
> > > > something *else* to do within a one of them.
> > > > They're just someone whining about what's *wrong*
> > > > with all these trips.
> > > >
> > > > It's EASY to criticize. I do it myself from time
> > > > to time, and know just how easy it is, especially
> > > > with easy targets like the TM movement. But there
> > > > is neither any creativity nor balance in *only*
> > > > criticizing. To achieve balance, one has to get
> > > > *past* the ego-hurt and be able to accept the
> > > > good things that came along with the bad ones.
> > > > And to achieve any measure of creativity, one has
> > > > to be able to propose something *else*, something
> > > > that could actually *help* someone else, something
> > > > they might consider doing *instead* of the thing
> > > > being criticized/whined about.
> > > >
> > > > So far, you have proved yourself incapable of
> > > > getting to this Next Step. I resubmit my challenge.
> > > > Since you clearly intend to hang around here and
> > > > post your whining, *supplement* it from time to
> > > > time with some creative suggestions of your own
> > > > for something *else* one could do. These supple-
> > > > mental posts should contain *no* negation ("What
> > > > I recommend is that one *not* do X.").
> > > >
> > > > Give it a try. It's a lot more difficult to write
> > > > shit like that than it is to whine. So far you've
> > > > been taking the EASY (and intellectually LAZY) path,
> > > > and not only have you been taking that path, you've
> > > > been demanding that people *admire* you for taking
> > > > that path. I don't.
> > > >
> > > > The day you can transcend the EASY path and propose
> > > > a completely positive *alternative* to that which
> > > > you criticize, on that day you have my respect.
> > > > Not until.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
