2007/12/8, Richard J. Williams So, you're saying that in India, the effortless aspect of mantra meditation practice is not widespread, as explained by MMY. That's what I said; Judy agreed.
I agree too, but this isn't sort of black – white situation. As I said there are many explanations about what effortless and what concentration is in spiritual practice of India. This is big topic and situation is different from one to another guru parampara. I will stick to the TM… advanced TM techniques are not purely effortless. The point which I wanted to bring up was emphasis on the devotional aspect of spiritual practice in India in comparison with TM where devotional aspect is excluded. So, why do you suppose that the two Barry's and Vaj the Nath deny this? I am not Barry's and Vaj advocate. Almost every TM teacher that I've met has agreed with this and that's what they teach. I will say again that advanced TM techniques are not purely effortless and almost every TM teacher that I've met has agreed with this. Ive been to India and my experience was that most teachers there teach concentration, especially the tradition of Swami Sivananda. If you analyze what SBS was teaching you will agree that he was teaching concentration. Somebody has brought this up here: "According to Swami Vishnudevanada, you should concentrate on the tip of your nose or on your navel."
