--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > Extrapolating from this, it seems to me that if MMY
> > > really wanted people to levitate, and was enlightened
> > > himself, what he'd do is sit them down in a room with
> > > him and demonstrate levitation. Their bodies would
> > > learn the siddhi far more quickly and far more
> > > effectively than they would practicing some made-up
> > > "technique" in English. 
> > 
> > This is what Muktananda did with his students, no ?
> 
> I don't know much about him, so I can't commment.
> 
> > Problem is that they are dependent of the shakti of the 
> > teacher to perform the siddhi, in the same way as the 
> > students of Rama were. That is if Rama students had 
> > independent experiences ofcourse.
> 
> Just to clarify, Rama never claimed that he was
> trying to *teach* the siddhis to his students; he
> just demo'd them. Occasionally, he would demo some-
> thing like being able to see the future or read
> other people's minds and many of us in the audience
> would "pick up on something" and be able to do it
> ourselves later, but it wasn't really an "I'm going
> to teach you how to do this" scenario.
> 
> As for the "boost" that one gets from the shakti
> or energy of the teacher not being permanent, I
> agree with you completely. It's sometimes *useful*,
> if that energy can "lift you" to the point where
> you can have, for example, far deeper experiences
> of meditation and samadhi than you normally exper-
> ience on your own, and having experienced them
> clearly helps you "get back" to those same exper-
> iences later, *on your own*. But otherwise, shakti
> junkies are just like any other kind of junkie in
> my opinion. I don't see the "hit" that one gets
> from a teacher as being terribly useful in the
> long run *unless* it leads to being able to repeat
> the deeper experience of things *on one's own*.
> 
> If you can't do it *on your own* later, then what
> use was the glimpse of something you got while in
> the teacher's presence, eh? At best it's just a
> "travelogue," a glimpse into your own future to
> give you hope. 
> 
> > And that is why Muktananda praised Maharishi for giving 
> > knowledge for the whole world independent of him personally 
> > because he saw that Maharishis role was more universal and 
> > has effect beyond a small group of students.
> > When Maharishi leaves we can go on and on with the practise 
> > independent of his shakti.
> 
> True. You can go on with practices THAT DON'T WORK
> for as long as you want.  :-)

It works very well thank. ;-)



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