--- "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" > <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" > <kirk_bernhardt@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your own words: > > > > > > > > > > "I spent many years in bars, and only a year > and a half behind > > one. I > > > > > found that being a bartender does in fact > lend itself to drinking > > > > > alcohol. I would get my tip money and go > next door to the bar and > > > > > party. It's like I couldn't get enough. > ***But now I know it was > > > > > karma*** ." > > > > > > > > -----Yeah, which includes death and horrible > destruction and > > suffering. > > > > > > > > > As you sow, so shall you reap. Either one takes > responsibility for > > > one's *own* karma, or one doesn't take > responsibility and tries to > > > blame someone besides himself for the pain. > > > > > > The idea is to do good stuff so you don't suffer > the consequences of > > > doing 'bad stuff'. > > > > > > And how do you know what 'good stuff' is? ...Do > you have to be told? > > > > > > > Why the value judgements good and bad? You know > what you like -- and > > presumably are doing like stuff so that you get > what you want. You > > (A) may like money so you may be do a lot of money > creating things. > > Someone else(B) may like studying philosophy so > they set up time and > > conditions to do more of that. > > > > (A) may hate philosophy and (B) may have little > desire for money. > > Which is good and which is bad? Philosophy > returning to A is bad in > > his eyes ("no, no not more kant!") and its good in > B's eyes ("Ah, I > > have all weekend to read Sarte"). > > > > Karma has nothing to do with good and bad, or > value judgements. It has > > everything to do with cause and effect. Do A get > a. Do B get b. Your > > choice. > > > > And some would say A and B both equally suck. And > does nothing so as > > to create nothing in return. > > > Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic > behavior and dharmic > behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is > suffering. The result of > dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite > obvious to me.
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