--- "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"
> <do.rflex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"
> <kirk_bernhardt@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Your own words:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I spent many years in bars, and only a year
> and a half behind
> > one. I
> > > > > found that being a bartender does in fact
> lend itself to drinking
> > > > > alcohol. I would get my tip money and go
> next door to the bar and
> > > > > party. It's like I couldn't get enough.
> ***But now I know it was
> > > > > karma*** ."
> > > >
> > > > -----Yeah, which includes death and horrible
> destruction and
> > suffering.
> > >
> > >
> > > As you sow, so shall you reap. Either one takes
> responsibility for
> > > one's *own* karma, or one doesn't take
> responsibility and tries to
> > > blame someone besides himself for the pain.
> > >
> > > The idea is to do good stuff so you don't suffer
> the consequences of
> > > doing 'bad stuff'.
> > >
> > > And how do you know what 'good stuff' is? ...Do
> you have to be told?
> > >
> >
> > Why the value judgements good and bad? You know
> what you like -- and
> > presumably are doing like stuff so that you get
> what you want. You
> > (A) may like money so you may be do a lot of money
> creating things.
> > Someone else(B) may like studying philosophy so
> they set up time and
> > conditions to do more of that.
> >
> > (A) may hate philosophy and (B) may have little
> desire for money.
> > Which is good and which is bad? Philosophy
> returning to A is bad in
> > his eyes ("no, no not more kant!") and its good in
> B's eyes ("Ah, I
> > have all weekend to read Sarte").
> >
> > Karma has nothing to do with good and bad, or
> value judgements. It has
> > everything to do with cause and effect. Do A get
> a. Do B get b. Your
> > choice.
> >
> > And some would say A and B both equally suck. And
> does nothing so as
> > to create nothing in return.
>
>
> Cause and effect certainly applies to adharmic
> behavior and dharmic
> behavior. The results of adharmic behavior is
> suffering. The result of
> dharmic behavior is happiness. It seems quite
> obvious to me.
And then there is Grace which transcends cause and
effect.
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