That there is *Mind* only is also a point of view. Where is your absolute knowledge that it persists after your death? There are stories, there are beliefs, but there cannot be your own knowledge while you yet are among the living. I know, I know, what is there in MIND ONLY that can die? Seems absurd on the face of it; nevertheless, it is still just a point of view--one I happen to share.
--- "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --The following statement is from the mind: > > > There is *Mind* only - everything else is an > illusion. > This is the cardinal doctrine of Adwaita Vedanta. > What > you have posted is a POV - all POVs are false: there > is no "mind". > > So, why, exactly, would Wayne Liquorman's > understanding > of Adwaita would be a joke to most of America? > > > Actually, the statement "There is One only" is > *Mind*; > > it's not a point-of-view, it's the *Mind Only* > > experienced in transcendental consciousness - > there is > > no origin - all POV are false. That's the point." > > > > > > The statement "There is One only" is from the > > > > POV of mind. > > > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > Actually, the statement "There is One only" is > *Mind*; > > > it's not a point-of-view, it's the *Mind Only* > > > experienced in transcendental consciousness - > there is > > > no origin - all POV are false. That's the point. > > > > > > > Another way of stating this truth is that "there > are > > > not two". Both of these statements come from the > > > > Adwaita Vedanta scriptures, which according to > Shankara, > > > are valid means of knowledge. > > > > > > But even so, I'm not understanding why Wayne > Liquorman's > > > understanding of Adwaita would be a joke to most > of > > > America. > > > > > > Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > One could do much worse for an Advaitic > guru > > > > > > than Tolle so I'm not complaining -- > imagine, > > > > > > shudder, if Oprah had imprinted on, say, > Wayne > > > > > > Liquorman, why Advaita would be a joke to > > > > > > most of America. > > > > > > > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > > > Well, maybe so, but what exact aspect of > Wayne > > > > > Liquorman's writing on Adwaita are you > protesting? > > > > > Is it a major issue or a minor issue? > > > > > > > > > > There are three issues that must be > understood in > > > > > order to understand Adwaita: The realization > that > > > > > there are *not two*, the realization that > things > > > > > and events are an *illusion*, and the > *dispelling > > > > > of illusion* by process of experiential pure > > > > > > conciousness. > > > > > > > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > > > > > > > There is One only. There is no creation; no > > > > > destruction; no coming to be, and no ceasing > to > > > > > be. Things do not change, neither do they > move > > > > > about or stay the same. Things and events > are an > > > > > illusion, not real, yet not unreal. The > > > > > Transcendental Conciousness is the only > Reality. > > > > > Liberation is the way to avoid the results > of > > > > > actions and to be free. > > > > > > > > > > The metaphor of a burning firebrand that is > > > > > waved in a circle, which creates an illusion > of > > > > > a continuous circle of fire has been used to > > > > > > describe the non-dual realization, which > when > > > > > experienced in reality, becomes just a > series > > > > > of point-instants of perception. > > > > > > > > > > Titles of interest: > > > > > > > > > > 'Consciousness Speaks' > > > > > Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar > > > > > by Ramesh S. Balsekar and Wayne Liquorman > > > > > Advaita Press, 1992 > > > > > > > > > > 'The Book of One' > > > > > The Spiritual Path of Advaita > > > > > by Dennis Waite > > > > > O Books, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > 'Dispelling Illusion' > > > > > Gaudapada's Alatasanti > > > > > Douglas A. Fox > > > > > State University of New York Press, 1993 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
