--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > > That's always what I understood him to have been > > > saying, Bhairitu, not that you would "know everything." > > > He's quite specific about this in his Gita commentary. > > > > Exactly but some people believe that they will know everything > > when enlightened. He needed to emphasize that's not the case. > > And for good reason. Learning still has to take place at all levels > of life-- has to. Even the gods learn. > > Interesting all of the misconceptions around enlightenment. Much of > it due to the often paradoxical nature of the enlightened life. Like > the question that comes up about mistakes. Some say the enlightened > can make mistakes. Others say this is not so. The paradoxical > reality is that enlightened people from their enlightened > perspective cannot make mistakes, only because there is nothing to > compare their thoughts and actions to, no conceptual template that > the enlightened person has deviated from, and therefore "made a > mistake". > > Does it look the same way to someone unenlightened? It does not-- > unenlightened people constantly make mistakes, and will always see > them in others, even in the enlightened. So it is a paradox. The > reality of mistakes no longer exists in permanent enlightenment, > although the unenlightened will continue to see them in the thoughts > and actions of the enlightened. No harm, no foul-- just the way it > is.
Jim, it seems to me that what you have defined above is that the enlightened live in a state that is completely divorced from reality. Their *perception* (in your words, "from their enlightened perspective") is that there can be no possible mistakes, and yet they make them "constantly" (your word), and so do others. So, a few followup questions: 1. What do you perceive the value of enlight- enment to BE if it makes you perceive this badly and (by your own standards) incorrectly? 2. Should anyone pay ANY attention to the enlight- ened when they claim that there are "no mistakes?" (It seems to me that you yourself have just said that this perception is incorrect, and yet you keep saying it.) 3. If the enlightened can be *this* wrong about the issue of "Are the words and actions of the enlightened perfect and free from mistakes," and *admit* it, why should anyone pay any attention to what they say about anything else?
