---Precisely. Such things have to be judged at face value, not one set of "Neo-Advaitin" standards and another for the Proletariat calss. Mistakes are mistakes, and yes, Hitler was evil. Besides, the people in question are far from Buddhahood.
Bourgeosie.fa In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > Those that are 'enlightened' live in a different > > > reality than those that live in ignorance. The > > > enlightened have an experience of 'gnosis' in > > > that they realize the illusory aspect of reality. > > > > First, excellent detailed answers. Here is the fundamental problem > > that I have. How could we possibly know what a person's internal > > experience is? I can't really separate your points from a bunch of > > beliefs that any fundamentalist Hindu would have. > > > > The "enlightened" person is just making a claim of having special > > internal knowledge with no evidence. Most of your points were right > > out of scriptures. So anyone can claim to "know" in this special way. > > I think the difference is that some people get others to buy into the > > claim. > > Ones view doesn't necessarily need to be upheld by anyone. My view > doesn't usually change because you don't see it that way. It may be > good feedback and all, but my state is not dependent on anyone's approval. > > Evaluating "mistakes' is quite relative to the evaluation criteria. > And the definition of a mistake. > > Do cartoon characters make mistakes? Did the roadrunner make ANOTHER > mistake that got him blown up one more time? Does Charlie Brown make a > mistake when ready to kick the football when Lussy lets go of the it > once again? > > Are spelling errors mistakes? In some contexts yes, in other's no. > Spelling is anarbitrary convention. As are words. I choose not to buy > into that convention, and spell Lucy as Lussy -- did I make mistake? > Again -- by what standards, from what view, pursuant to which > objective, and to what consequence. > > What if the maid slipped, fell down the stairs, mistakenly and > accidently bumped Hitler over the rail, where he plunged to his death > in 1940. Did the maid make a mistake? > > Did Scott McClellan make a mistake by not speaking up while press > Secretary? He said this morning that he didn't figure out a lot of > stuff until year ago. Are some things a mistake in hindsight, or with > more knowledge, and not a mistake "at the moment"? > > One view, which I like, and which may be a mistake, is that everyone > is doing the best with what they have. Is a '64 VW Beetle, on its last > legs, choking and coughing to get to the end of the street, making a > mistake? Or is it doing the best it can with what it still has? If > everyone is doing their best, given all of everyone's limitations, > where is are the mistakes? > > I flunked a course -- took it again, and now know more than anyone in > wither class. Did I make a mistake in failing the first time? > > I hit 63 out of 478 balls into the net this morning. Were those > mistakes -- or simply useful feedback to adjust the angle of my > racquet head a bit? > > A child is learning to talk and is a bit "inarticulate" at times. Is > she making a mistake --or on a "perfect" path to learn the language. > > > I don't claim to have special knowledge, particularly the woo woo > kind. I do have specialized knowledge that no one else has on this > Forum. (Or ever had in the history of the universe -- for that > matter). But its personal, or career, or academic training, or simply > what I had for breakfast 2 days ago. And my specialized knowledge > affects by views -- and vice versa. > > I picked up 6 instead of my intended 4 oranges at the store. Was that > a mistake? Was it consequential? > > A man loses his fortune -- by various "mistakes". And learns a > shitload of valuable life lessons as a result. Was that a mistake? > > Mistakes are very relative to "what". What view, objective, context, > evaluation criteria, consequence, etc. Its possible to posit views in > which "every cloud has a silver lining" and "things happen for the > best". Many people, far beyond enlightenment traditions, have some or > much of this view. In that view, "its all good good" -- in the larger > context. One step back, two steps forward. In that view, there are no > mistakes. While I am not necessarily subscribing to such, it is a > legitimate view. >
