--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: <snip> > > But even more of a problem is why crop circle makers > > would go to all the trouble of creating these effects > > with advanced technology in the first place: > > > > > > 1. Elongated apical plant stem nodes > > > > 2. Expulsion cavities in the plant stems > > > > 3. The presence of 10-50 micrometer diameter magnetized > > > > iron spheres in the soils, distributed linearly > > It may be an artifact of the unknown process that they use.
Who uses? The guys with a couple of boards and a rope who supposedly are creating all these circles? > Which also answers this point: > > > It strains credulity to think circle makers would have > > "planted" this kind of anomalous, virtually invisible > > evidence throughout circles that would have been > > difficult enough to create overnight without it. > > It may be just a byproduct of how they are doing it. The > extent of human ingenuity is fantastic. You would think that if this were the case, the scientists who are intent on debunking a non-human origin for the circles would be able to extrapolate from these highly specific effects to how they are doing it. > The jump you don't seem to make, which many people do who > are into this is to claim, is that they know they are done > my aliens. Right, I don't make that jump. > Same > with UFOs, they are "unidentified." The jump to identifying > them as alien crafts is an unnecessary jump. with crop circles > all we can say is that we don't have all the answers to all ways > they are done. But the suggestion that we need to imagine that > humans couldn't do it seems far fetched to me. Is this one for > your "don't rule it out" box? Yup. But I lean in the other direction; I think it's far-fetched to imagine that humans *could* do it, if we haven't been able to figure out how after all these years--again, not just creating the patterns, but doing so in such a way that these weird "invisible" effects are created along with them. I mean, the debunkers so far have focused only on the fact that reasonable facimiles of crop circles can be created by humans with ordinary equipment, assuming on that basis that they've *all* been created this way. But then you throw in the "invisible" effects as well, and you've got a *lot* more explaining to do. I think I am more convinced that it is humans who are really > into this kind of thing. > > But this topic always interests me in where you are drawing > your lines while challenging the simple explanations. It is > one of your best "raps" IMO. Thanks. Where I'm at right now is that there is a whole batch of *very* odd phenomena--crop circles and UFO abduction experiences among them--happening right under our noses that we can't begin to explain in terms of our conventional understanding of How It All Works, and which, in fact, appear to *contradict* that understanding. At this point, I can't see how to come to any conclusion other than that there's a very significant "slice" of How It All Works that we don't even suspect *exists*, much less have a clue about what's involved. In other words, I think the likelihood that conventional explanations of these phenomena are adequate is very, very remote--but I can't rule it out.
