--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcg...@...> wrote: > > This is one of the reasons why I always felt someone like Deepak > Chopra should have begun his experience in the TMO as a Flower Boy on > Saturday mornings. Chopra is very much someone who, deservedly, was > a star pupil because he studied his ass off...but he was also the > Dauphin-like golden boy. > > I think the experience would have humbled him. It certainly did me > and certainly convinced me of the power of the puja. I would wait > outside the doors of the puja room and be the person who would guide > the initiates to the room where they do their first meditation. > Sitting outside the puja room I would always notice an incredible > energy change in the area which exponentially ratcheted up about the > time the mantra was given out. It was incredibly palpable and > convinced me that something was happening...yes, I would say that it > was the enlivening of the Holy Tradition and, yes, making the > recitation of the puja an essential requirement of receiving a mantra. > > And, most definitely "yes", it does toggle the power of the mantra > (to use Edg's term, below). "Toggle" is a really good word to > describe it! > > With such an important thing at hand, why would anyone want to take a > chance they weren't getting the full effect?
Agreed. Us Saturday morning flower boys are of like mind! > I'm not 100% sure, but I've asked this question before and have been > told that in Chopra's meditation technique he doesn't preceed it with > a puja. If true, he's an irresponsible prick who is playing with > people in a very irresponsible way. > > Not that what he is teaching them isn't better than them not learning > anything at all; only that it is not complete and the effects won't > be what they could have been. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Rick, > > > > Do you feel the puja etc. is necessary for the technique to "get > > activated by Guru Dev" or something of that ilk? > > > > Seems to me that an ancient ritual has a chance of helping > (deluding?) > > a newbie to imprint on the technique, so that's a practical benefit, > > but do you actually think there's something mystical happening that > > toggles the power of the mantra or its use or that "somehow" primes > > the pump of the initiate's mind? > > > > I once loved the idea of the 5,000 year tradition being carried > > forward and that the mantras were as ancient and as long-understood > > for their effects, but all that was hooey as far as anyone can tell > > these days since we have no provenance of the mantras. > > > > Why tell your friend to cheat the TMO out of a fee and all that if > the > > dang system of meditating only ended up with a dysfunctional > > organization of ill repute? And, hey, if your friend really takes > off > > and has incredible experiences, how is he/she going to approach the > > TMO to further or intensify their program if they're not officially > a > > paying-member of the TMO? If the experiences are THERE your friend > > may be quite vulnerable to many risks when the passion to amp up the > > results skews their decisions about what organization to become > > involved with. Your friend might equally "get off" on an Amma hug, > ya > > see? Where's the beef that your friend thinks he/she's going to > get? > > Why aren't you more fully advising this person about the vagaries of > > spiritual methodologies such that a more informed decision > about "how > > to meditate and why to do so" becomes clearer to that person? > > > > Edg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > From a friend: > > > > > > A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though he > cannot > > > afford the current fee of $2500. Does anyone know of an > independent TM > > > teacher who can provide instruction for less, in the San > Francisco Bay > > > Area? It should still be the TM instruction, with puja, checking > and > > > all of that. Thanks. > > > > > >
