--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozg...@...> wrote: > > TurquoiseB wrote: > > The Rama fellow I studied with for many years taught > > Lucid Dreaming. He taught it in the context of Tibetan > > Dream Yoga, but the techniques were the same as those > > I've later found in Native American shamanism and > > other disciplines. The "Tibetan connection" is that > > in that tradition Lucid Dreaming is seen as analogous > > to (or synonymous with) the Bardo state between death > > and rebirth, and thus developing a facility with > > "waking up in the dream, and being able to manipulate > > the dream state" is seen as valuable to a culture in > > which the teachings of The Tibetan Book Of The Dead > > are assumed as a given. If you can wake up in a normal > > dream, and use your intention there in the astral, then > > it is assumed that you might also be able to do the > > same thing in the Bardo, and thus have a shot at a > > cooler rebirth. > Boy Art Bell's cousin sure had an effect on you. :-D > > I've mentioned one lucid dream I've had several times on FFL and that > was the one with "Jesus" who looked more like Naveen Andrews than the > way that Christianity portrays him. He told me he wanted to tell me > something and I had to walk over to talk to him and there were > fundamentalist Christians who seemed to be stuck in the ground telling > me I had no right to talk to him. He just nodded at them in disgust and > said "pay no attention to them." He essentially warned me that things > were going to get really bad in the world (and it did happen). The > experience makes it a little difficult for me as I really didn't think > there actually was such an individual as Roman history makes no mention > of him (and they were good historians) and might actually may be a work > of fiction derived possibly from some activist's activities (which would > have been so minor the Romans wouldn't have bothered with a mention) and > a mystic at the time. Some theologians seem to buy into this idea. >
Interesting. I think it points up a curious "tension" in this thread between, on the one hand, the idea of cultivating dreams because they might have the potential to point to something, or to intimate something "profound" (though like looking for a black cat through a very dark glass darkly!). And on the other, trying to take control over dreams and direct them. I would have thought trying to practise the latter technique might bollocks up any hope of benefit from the former? i.e. It is the innocence of the state of dreaming that *may* allow it to open a door to something? Perhaps.
