Judy, Now why didn't you just do the below in the first place? -- it is a great presentation, and you've done us all a service thereby.
That said, let me have some funzies: Here's some crop circles that would get me into all sorts of obsessing: How about a crop circle that predicted something? Go to such and such coordinates and you'll find a white dwarf that cannot be seen by the naked eye and that has not yet been noticed by astronomers. Or, give me a crop circle that portrays a physics' insight heretofore unknown. A few math symbols correctly used in a new way could open some eyes in the ivory towers, but so far, we get zilch. Or, how about a simple sentence in an unknown alphabet that nonetheless has experts convinced that the alphabet is sophisticated and unlikely to be a ruse? Or, how about a photo of a alien (there's been a wheat field Mona Lisa by now, right) -- an alien whose photo convinces Earthly experts that the taxonomy etc. all jive holistically? Or, how about a duplication of a crop circle from one area being used to form an equation with a crop circle from another area? A simple juxtaposition of two symbols might be an "equation" of a sort. A form of communication could be imagined by such a metaphor. Let's see a jargon created around the world that has consistency. How about some crop circles in an Arctic snow field that only a massively technical effort could produce? Crop circles in the middle of the Sahara would be paradigm shattering if no other footprints or tire tracks or helicopter sand scattering marks could be found. I'd be slavering. Let's see even Bill Whitherspoon pull that off without the use of a black-ops copter and guys who lower themselves 75 feet to the ground to prevent the down-blasts from marring the scene. How about a crop circle on the White House lawn? How about a crop circle on anyone's lawn? How about a crop circle burnished into a large bedrock shelf? How about a crop circle in any cave painting? How about a crop circle on the Moon for all to see? How about a crop circle seen forming for an instant in water seen by a passing pilot? How about a crop circle that "joins" the Mysterious Nazca Lines in Peru as some sort of, what?, commentary? How about a crop circle that a flock of geese cannot be persuaded to "enter?" How about a crop circle sniffing dog who can tell, like the dogs that smell cancer, a difference between obviously man-made circles and the mysterious ones? A dog's nose is an insanely great tool. How about a crop circle that either kills the plant life or enhances the vitality of such that color differences or longevity or something distinguishes the circle with continuities unshared with the immediate surroundings? Where are these crops circles? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jst...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <steve.sundur@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > I suppose there is a chance that Judy is right in > > > > her views, and everyone else is wrong. > > > > > > Lurk, you don't even know what my views *are*. > > > You read what Edg said about them and assumed > > > what he said was accurate. > > > > > > It wasn't. > > > > This is true. I don't know exactly what your views > > are on cc. However, the little I have read of them > > the "part man made, part ET" seemed to summarize it. > > Perhaps I am mistaken. > > You're mistaken. > > I think (and have stated explicitly) that ETs having > made *any* of the circles is *LESS* likely than that > they're all made by humans. > > That having been said, however, *some* of the circles > have features that have not been found in any of the > circles known to have been made by humans, which is > why I'm reluctant to conclude that they're all made > by humans. > > Here are three of the features (there are others): > > 1. Elongated apical plant stem nodes > 2. Expulsion cavities in the plant stems > 3. The presence of 10-50 micrometer diameter > magnetized iron spheres in the soils, > distributed linearly > > At one point a bunch of MIT students were challenged > to create a circle that showed these characteristics > (proposed by a circle researcher). They had no trouble > creating the circle by the usual method of ropes and > boards (although it wasn't nearly as complex as many > of the circles on record). > > They managed to replicate #2 by building a portable > microwave transmitter and beaming it at the plants. > > They took a stab at #3 by building a device that > sprayed magnetized iron particles around the circle, > but it took too much time and they had to resort to > a pyrotechnic device; the iron particles ended up > unevenly distributed, unlike in the non-hoaxed > circles. > > They couldn't achieve #1 at all. And what they did > accomplish required fairly complicated and > cumbersome technology. > > The question is: If humans did make the circles > that have these characteristics, why on earth would > they go to the trouble to "plant" this kind of > anomalous, virtually invisible evidence throughout > circles that would have been difficult enough to > create overnight without it? Most people are > satisfied that all the circles are human-made > simply because humans *can* create complicated > patterns in crops that you can see and walk around > in and take photos of. > > But these three characteristics were only > discovered after intensive scientific investigation; > they aren't anything anybody would be able to detect > without careful measurements with complicated > instruments. Nor would they result simply from the > process of mashing down crops in patterns. > > And why, after all the intense study of the circles > by determined debunkers, haven't they been able > to extrapolate from these highly specific types of > effects to the technology that accomplishes them? > > At any rate, these are the types of questions that > need to be answered before I'm willing to conclude > that all the circles are human-made. > > But again, if some of them *aren't* human-made, I > have NO IDEA what their origin might be. As I said, > I think aliens is the *least* likely possibility. > > <snip> > > > Yeah, it's cowardly big-time to make nonspecific > > > charges and refuse to follow up on them. > > > > I have followed up to the extent I can. > > I appreciate that, thank you. > > > At the risk of appearing to preach, maybe think about > > some of things Edg said. Maybe there is something > > there you may find useful. Or maybe you are comfortable > > with how you see things now. > > Pretty much, actually. I'm more interested in > striving to be authentic and honest than anything > else. I have no motivation to pretend to be be > someone I'm not for the sake of getting people to > like me. If somebody doesn't like me for who I am, > that's just my (and possibly their) tough luck. >
