--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcg...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact that Inhofe belongs to that crackpot 'C' Street group that > > > > > > emulates Hitler and Mao's methods of rule instead of democracy > > > > > > speaks for itself about that nutbag Inhofe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which of Hitler's and Mao's methods of rule does "C" Street group > > > > > emulate? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, according to what you reproduce below, having kids kill their own > > > parents is one of Mao's methods that the "C" Street group will emulate. > > > > > > I see. > > > > > > And do you personally believe that, John, that these elected Senators > > > subscribe to that method? > > > > > > > > > > > Their current leader makes his points quite clearly, Shremp. Do you think > > his followers are members of his sect because they don't agree with him? > > > > > > > > > You're avoiding answering the question. > > You made a claim. > > The claim you made turns out to be that members of this organisation believe > in having children kill their own parents. > > I then asked if you truly believed that members subscribed to this. > > And you can't answer. >
Here's an expanded version to consider, Shremp: Counseling Rep. Tiahrt, Doug Coe offered Pol Pot and Osama bin Laden as men whose commitment to their causes is to be emulated. Preaching on the meaning of Christ's words, he says, "You know Jesus said 'You got to put Him before mother-father-brother sister? Hitler, Lenin, Mao, that's what they taught the kids. Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and father. But it wasn't murder. It was for building the new nation. The new kingdom." http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/21/c_street/ The members have answered for themselves, Shremp. Knowing the tenets of Coe's sect, they are still members. I can't read their minds however, but in my view anyone who would belong to an ideologically elitist club who considers themselves above the law and professes the philosophies of Pol Pot, Hitler and Mao, is a not someone fit to represent the people of the United States. After briefly associating herself with the sect, Hillary Clinton found out what they were really about and dropped them like a hot potato. Hillary Clinton, who once described leader Doug Coe as a "genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide." (When NBC Nightly News broadcast videotape I supplied of Coe comparing his Fellowship to that of "Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler," Clinton immediately distanced herself from the group, declaring that she'd never given it any money.) http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-26/conspiracy-on-c-street/full/ == Author, Jeff Sharlet, of "The Family:The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power" writes: "Jesus didn't come to take sides. He came to take over." And by Jesus, the Family means the Family. = = Family leaders consider their political network to be Christ's avant garde, an elite that transcends not just conventional morality but also earthly laws regulating lobbying. In the Family's early days, they debated registering as "a lobby for God's Kingdom." Instead, founder Abraham Vereide decided that the group could be more effective by working personally with politicians. "The more invisible you can make your organization," Vereide's successor, current leader Doug Coe preaches, "the more influence you can have." That's true -- which is why we have laws requiring lobbyists to identify themselves as such. ...I met the younger Coe when I lived for several weeks as a member of the Family. He's a surprising source of counsel, spiritual or otherwise. Attempting to explain what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David was -- or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate -- he asked a young man who'd put himself, body and soul, under the Family's authority, "Let's say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you?" The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was a monster. "No," answered Coe, "I wouldn't." Why? Because, as a member of the Family, he's among what Family leaders refer to as the "new chosen." If you're chosen, the normal rules don't apply. = = The Family likes to call itself a "Christian Mafia," but it began 74 years ago as an anti-New Deal coalition of businessmen convinced that organized labor was under the sway of Satan. The Great Depression, they believed, was a punishment from God for what they viewed as FDR's socialism. The Family's goal was the "consecration" of America to God, first through the repeal of New Deal reforms, then through the aggressive expansion of American power during the Cold War. They called this a "Worldwide Spiritual Offensive," but in Washington, it amounted to the nation's first fundamentalist lobby. Early participants included Southern Sens. Strom Thurmond, Herman Talmadge and Absalom Willis Robertson -- Pat Robertson's father. Membership lists stored in the Family's archive at the Billy Graham Center at evangelical Wheaton College in Illinois show active participation at any given time over the years by dozens of congressmen. Men under the Family's religio-political counsel include, in addition to Ensign, Coburn and Pickering, Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Jim DeMint and Lindsey Graham, both R-S.C.; James Inhofe, R-Okla., John Thune, R-S.D., and recent senators and high officials such as John Ashcroft, Ed Meese, Pete Domenici and Don Nickles. Over in the House there's Joe Pitts, R-Penn., Frank Wolf, R-Va., Zach Wamp, R-Tenn., Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., Ander Crenshaw, R-Fla., Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., and John R. Carter, R-Texas. Historically, the Family has been strongly Republican, but it includes Democrats, too. There's Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, for instance, a vocal defender of putting the Ten Commandments in public places, and Sen. Mark Pryor, the pro-war Arkansas Democrat responsible for scuttling Obama's labor agenda. Sen. Pryor explained to me the meaning of bipartisanship he'd learned through the Family: "Jesus didn't come to take sides. He came to take over." And by Jesus, the Family means the Family. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/21/c_street/ [snip to end]
