--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <no_re...@...> wrote: > > > Shemp. Any Brit knows that quoting the Daily Mail is like quoting the > National Inquirer about a flying saucer photographed over the pyramids. > Your arguments are a joke. > > OffWorld >
You're wrong, Off. Everyone knows the Enquirer has the truth. >From "Men in Black": [after telling Jay that they're going to check the "hot sheets," Kay pulls up to a newsstand and buys a pile of supermarket tabloids] Jay: *These* are the hot sheets? Kay: Best investigative reporting on the planet. But go ahead, read the New York Times if you want. They get lucky sometimes. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> , "ShempMcGurk" <shempmcgurk@> > wrote: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ygwbn7v <http://tinyurl.com/ygwbn7v> > <http://tinyurl.com/ygwbn7v <http://tinyurl.com/ygwbn7v> > > > Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has > been > > no global warming since 1995 > > > > By Jonathan Petre > > > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Jonathan+Pe\ > \ > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Jonathan+Pe\ > \> > > tre> > > Last updated at 5:12 PM on 14th February 2010 > > > > > > > > * Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing * There > > has been no global warming since 1995 * Warming periods have > > happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes > > [Professor Phil Jones] > > Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good > > as it should be' > > > > The academic at the centre of the `Climategate' affair, whose > > raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that > > he has trouble `keeping track' of the information. > > > > Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused > Freedom > > of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant > > papers. > > > > Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the > > observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that > > his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping > > is `not as good as it should be'. > > > > The data is crucial to the famous `hockey stick graph' used by > > climate change advocates to support the theory. > > > > > > Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was > warmer > > in medieval times than now suggesting global warming may not be > a > > man-made phenomenon. > > > > And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no > > `statistically significant' warming. > > > > The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that > > there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change > > and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely > man-made. > > > > Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as > > director of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit > > after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were > > manipulating data. > > > > The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the > > world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster > > efforts by the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate > > Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions. > > > > > > More... > > * MAIL ON SUNDAY COMMENT: The professor's amazing climate change > > retreat > > > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250813/The-professor-s-amazi\ > \ > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250813/The-professor-s-amazi\ > \> > > ng-climate-change-retreat.html> > > > > > > > > Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of > > `scientific fraud' for allegedly deliberately suppressing > > information and refusing to share vital data with critics. > > > > Discussing the interview, the BBC's environmental analyst Roger > > Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had > > told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not > > record-keeping and office tidying. > > > > Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC's website, said > > the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data > > from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature > > change. > > > > That material has been used to produce the `hockey stick graph' > > which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent > > decades. > > > > According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said `his > > office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens > of > > thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he > took > > in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper > > go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to > > account over them'. > > > > Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the > > lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance > to > > share data with critics, which he regretted. > > Enlarge [Chart] > > > <http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/13/article-1250872-0847D53D00000\ > \ > <http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/13/article-1250872-0847D53D00000\ > \> > > 5DC-535_468x295_popup.jpg> > > > > > > > > But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the > > scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature > rises > > were predominantly man-made. > > > > Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: > > `There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the > > weather stations have come from but it's probably not as good as it > > should be. > > > > `There's a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of > > everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on > > their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We > > have improved but we have to improve more.' > > > > He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced > similar > > warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could > > be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could > not. > > > > > > He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no > > `statistically significant' warming, although he argued this was > > a blip rather than the long-term trend. > > > > And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been > even > > warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of > > high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled. > > > > Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer > > between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high > > temperatures in northern countries. > > > > But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only > > applying to the northern part of the world. > > > > Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: `There is > > much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent > > or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, > the > > North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia. > > > > `For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen > > clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern > > hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter > > two regions. > > > > `Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm > > or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth > would > > not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but > was > > less warm than today, then the current warmth would be > > unprecedented.' > > > > Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with > > the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming > > Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been > > hotter then than now. > > > > Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his > > data with them, saying they could always collate their own from > publicly > > available material in the US. And he said the climate had not cooled > > `until recently and then barely at all. The trend is a warming > > trend'. > > > > Mr Harrabin told Radio 4's Today programme that, despite the > > controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the > > majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made. > > > > But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy > > Foundation, said Professor Jones's `excuses' for his failure > > to share data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and > > `mates'. > > > > He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test > it > > to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change > > advocates. > > > > He added that the professor's concessions over medieval warming were > > `significant' because they were his first public admission that > > the science was not settled. > > > > > > > > Read more: > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Aston\ > \ > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Asto\ > n\> > > > ishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.\ > \ > > html?ITO=1490#ixzz0fYQdHR1C > > > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Asto\ > \ > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Asto\ > \> > > > nishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised\ > \ > > .html?ITO=1490#ixzz0fYQdHR1C> > > >
