--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason <jedi_sp...@...> wrote: > > Barry, have you read Thomas Harris Transactional > analysis. He divides human psych into three > components. "Parent, adult and Child" > > Some people have more parent in their psych and > tend to be Guru like. Some people tend to have > more child in their psych and they tend to flock > to Guru authority figure. > > People who have more adult in their psych tend to > be more logical and have mature mutually > benificial relationships. ask Dr. Pete about > this.
I admit to having read almost nothing from the world of psychology. I don't know why, but it never appealed to me, possibly in the same way that Western mysticism never appealed to me. The little I did read of both always struck me as talkin' theory and expecting folks to relate to the theory as truth, when I was more interested in talkin' experience, and then allowing the listeners to relate to the experience or not, and then figure out their own idea of truth. That said, I think there is some aspect of the parent- child relationship reflected in the traditional guru- disciple relationship. And that is possibly appropriate, for those who are looking for a replacement parent. I'm more interested in finding friends, and so relate more easily to those who can relate on an equal platform, without the suggestion that they are on a higher level. > did you read my old post.? 232741 If I did, it didn't invoke enough interest on my part to respond to or remember. Rereading it now, it still does not. That's not a condemnation of you, just how things are. Like Popeye, I yam what I yam. > --- On Sun, 6/13/10, TurquoiseB <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Desire To Be Perceived As Authoritative0 > Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 4:32 AM > > I've rapped before, from similar cafes as this one, about > the various myths surrounding enlightenment (or whatever > you choose to call it), and how those who claim enlightenment > (or whatever they call it) often do not seem to walk the walk > of that mythic talk. One of those myths is that they are by > definition incapable of speaking anything that is not Truth. > I've also rapped in the past about how those who expect to > be listened to and revered as if everything they say is > Truth react to someone treating them as Just Another Guy. > > Today what I'm pondering is not so much what they do when > their holy authority is challenged, but WHY they would want > to be perceived as authoritative in the first place. > > That one just whizzes right over my head. I don't get it. > > I have a few friends who have gone into the guru business. > Based on the few conversations we have had in recent years, > they seem to want me to interact with them as if they are > gurus, and with proper deference to their wisdom and presumed > authority. Suffice it to say we don't talk much. If we did, > I suspect that they'd say that the things they say as if > they were Truth *are* Truth, and would be obvious *as* Truth > to me if I just treated them as the selfless spokespersons > for Truth they are. > > The first time this happened, I couldn't help remembering > the night that the speaker, back before he went all guru and > all, got all blissed up and confided in me that his deepest > longing and need in life was to be adored. Not loved. Adored. > Worshipped. In the context of that conversation, by a woman > so in love with him that she could not even conceive of him > having faults. Now he's a guru. You do the math. > > I still love these people as friends, but I'm just not wired > to relate to them as gurus or as authorities, only as friends. > Friends have faults. They're wrong about shit from time to > time. That's what I expect of my current friends, and that > is what they expect of me. I rarely disappoint them. :-) > > So I just don't get it. Can someone who feels not only > that the guru or teacher is some kind of authority and that > they should be related to as such please explain it to me? > Based on the things written here, there are quite a few > folks on this forum who believe this. I'm asking you to > explain WHY, to someone who clearly doesn't get it. > > > >
