Wow Bill. You really ARE empty!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptyb...@...> wrote:
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> Yep
finally some logic instead of all the victim-hood.
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> In this case, every one wanted something - shakti, enlightenment,
> stature. Why doesn't anyone confess to it?
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> "He treated me badly ... I was taken advantage of terribly". These are
> the standard accusations of disillusionment but perhaps more accurately
> of self-delusion.
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> Are there any adults here who take responsibility for themselves and
> their own choices? As far as I can tell we were all adults while
> practicing, training and teaching. Didn't get everything you wanted?
> Then you either moved on or stayed stuck in dissatisfaction - unwilling
> to take a step away from the known.
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> If we had illusions about the "movement" they were over-turned
> quickly. If we were "sold out" to Maharishi and ready to
> "instruct all of mankind" then we were merchandisers who
> believed in a product. After a while we found a new product.
>
> That's what happens with sales-people.
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> You say you had sex with the Master? Why?
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> Isn't this an obvious question? Can you even ask yourself such a
> question without falling into the mode of accusing either him or
> yourself?
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> You wish for sympathy? For what? For making bad choices? For being a
> human being living in illusion?
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> Get real! This is human life and everyone is surrounded by their own
> desires and frustrations.
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> Did you think Maharishi was Jesus in a dhoti who was going to save you
> from yourself?
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> Why don't you all just cut the bullshit and go help someone? There
> are many people suffering and you could be that someone in their life
> who doesn't want anything from them or even for them
just
> someone who would like to see them realize some human happiness in this
> world.
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> Not too esoteric
and all too easy to dismiss
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I am sorry if and when anyone is hurt. I wish it were not so. But in
> most things in life there is give and take. Following your words to
> their implications, one might think JJ gave all, obtained nothing, and
> was severely taken advantage of and cheated. Not sure, but J always
> seemed to have gained a lot when I saw him. I am not sure he would
> grieve and moan that he walked away empty handed (and actually --
> emptiness is a great thing).
> >
> > Not all our dreams come true. Not all our fantasies materialize. But
> no one got any benefit? They walked away totally empty from the deal?
> >
> > By my own choice, I worked in the TMO, became a teacher, taught, did
> courses and generally had good things happening, growth happened in many
> areas of my life. Some great adventures. Gained a lot. Was I
> disappointed all my dreams did not come true? Was I disillusioned over
> time? Sure. Was I disappointed M didn't give me all the face time I
> wanted? Sure. But irrespective of that, after some time of seeing a
> pattern of disconnects, I said adieu. As did most people. Did I leave
> with nothing? With less than I came with? Hardly. I walked in expecting
> to gain the universe an all knowledge. I walked away with less -- but
> still a smile on my face.
> >
> > The ladies, I hurt for them. I am sorry some were hurt. Were they
> participants? Or did they walk away? I know girls that had affairs with
> professors in college (not MIU -- though that happened too). They knew
> it was a dicey thing. But were willing to take the risk. They knew it
> was not a long term thing. Were the ladies (such a TMO word), were these
> woman totally oblivious to any downside? Was it all just upside? Become
> the princess of the TMO? Forever? No risk? No downside?
> >
> > People make choices. And they are aware of the consequences of the
> choices. People enter relations -- far more normal than these womem --
> and are later hurt, rejected. Life sometimes sucks. And sometimes we
> learn and grow from that suckiness. People learn. People move on.
> >
> > I just can't buy 100% into this victimhood stigma you wrap these women
> in. They made choices -- probably naive ones, but they were aware of an
> upside. They were aware of a downside. Their dreams were not fulfilled.
> I am sorry. I wish all dreams were fulfilled. But life moves on. It
> sounds like most or all of the women have fruitful lives.
> >
> > As far as discarding women -- did you ever see that among teachers? It
> happened and happens. I am sad it does. But are you also rallying
> against all of the teachers who had relations and moved on -- (to the
> next town, next course...) without a totally sweet ending? I wish all
> relations had happy endings. Sadly not all do. Sadly some men are heals.
> (Some women are too.) But are all women totally oblivious to this? They
> have over the ages no clue it would not always end like a fairy tale?
> And by the way -- any guys ever get dumped in unceremoneous and
> undeserved ways. Yes, they have.
> >
> > And from what I saw and have pieced together, the women were
> sometimes, perhaps often, aware of previous women. Clearly things did
> not work out for those preceding them. Yet they chose to go ahead with
> it. And things did not worked out as planned or hoped. I am sorry it was
> not all golden.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" geezerfreak@ wrote:
> > >
> > > It's nice that it doesn't bother you Doc. But, how about the ladies
> involved? Does the damage done (and it very clearly WAS done) to the
> ladies bother you? That MMY could so callously use his power and
> influence over these women to bed them, then discard them in a variety
> of ways when a new box of chocolates opens to him, makes me question
> plenty about this guy. The same thing happened repeatedly to those whose
> money he was after. He used you up and discarded you when you were know
> longer of any use to him....happened for years. Didn't matter who you
> were. Ask Jerry Jarvis.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "drpetersutphen"
> <drpetersutphen@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone...Some masochistic impulse made me join FFL again..go
> figure...I must have had something transit rahu, whatever.
> > > >
> > > > What I find amazing about MMY and all the ladies is that I believe
> that it is all true and it doesn't bother me the way it might in the
> distant past. I can't conceptually resolve it by dismissing MMY because
> of the amazing transformations his body of techniques and his darshan
> itself have had on me. I can't figure out why he'd be interested in sex,
> especially the kind of "bust-a-nut" sex these ladies seem to be
> describing. It's a mystery. I wish one of these women had asked MMY,
> what's up with all this sex, Maharishi? I don't get it.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Anonymously:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Rick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course please keep my name and position private.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been reading, almost obsessively-compulsively, the
> sequential
> > > > >
> > > > > discussions re: Judith's book on FFL. At first it was with a
> sigh of
> > > > >
> > > > > relief, that one lady had opened up, and was so well received.
> Now the dirt
> > > > >
> > > > > is rolling in--people doing their best to cast doubt on her
> experiences, to
> > > > >
> > > > > besmirch her integrity, to ridicule what she has to say just so
> they will
> > > > >
> > > > > feel better. And people wonder why the other ladies don't come
> forward.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember Judith from Squaw Valley days. She had been put in
> charge of
> > > > >
> > > > > cleaning M's rooms and silks. She had the most beautiful saris.
> I asked
> > > > >
> > > > > her where she bought them and she explained that M had given
> them to her.
> > > > >
> > > > > Immediately my radar went up; she had done something personal
> with him that
> > > > > pleased him,
> > > > >
> > > > > I surmised, and he gave her something beautiful in exchange.
> Having been
> > > > > propositioned by M
> > > > >
> > > > > myself but turning him down, I had not received anything for
> that one night.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even way back then with Judith, I thought, maybe if I had said
> yes......my
> > > > > life would have
> > > > >
> > > > > turned out better. I would be allowed to be closer. Now it's
> easy to see
> > > > > that isn't always the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > It helps to know that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Judith probably has done more for the other ladies who went
> through similar
> > > > >
> > > > > experiences than any one else. Remember also that she left the
> Movement and
> > > > >
> > > > > went off on her own path. She has had the freedom to speak the
> truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > My psychology is better now for what she has written. Truth,
> sweet truth
> > > > >
> > > > > helps. And Judith sees the good that M has done for the world.
> It is the
> > > > >
> > > > > technique of meditation that counts. Does THAT work? That is
> what he
> > > > >
> > > > > marketed to the world and hopefully today the world is a better
> place--not
> > > > >
> > > > > perfect, just a little better. No one likes everything about
> something or
> > > > > someone;
> > > > >
> > > > > that is the nature of the relative--it's not perfect. I guess
> we forget
> > > > >
> > > > > that in our quest for absolute anything.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But shouldn't we focus on what does work,
> > > > >
> > > > > what is good? That's what Scriptures keep telling us to do and
> there must
> > > > > be a reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > That instruction is not guru-based; it is evolutionary based.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What FFLfers are now doing is not helping us heal. Rather the
> fear is
> > > > >
> > > > > returning, the sense of persecution is coming back to life. If
> these people
> > > > >
> > > > > ever find out......runs through my mind constantly. This
> probably will be
> > > > >
> > > > > the closest I will ever come to going really public. This tiny
> missive that
> > > > >
> > > > > hardly says anything.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess I am asking FFlfers to please, please, please, give us
> ladies a
> > > > >
> > > > > chance to heal. It may be lies to you, it may be fantasy to
> you, but it's
> > > > >
> > > > > not to those of us who went through it. Keep that in mind.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If anything, have compassion in your hearts and give us the
> space we so
> > > > >
> > > > > desperately need to heal.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thank you
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours Truly
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
