Interesting - I like both of those definitions, although they both involve conscious action on the part of the doer.
I was seeing pragnyaparadh as one of those "Gee I never thought of that" type of things, unconscious behavior to blame the 'outside'. A truer mistake, if you will, than consciously BSing oneself. The reason being, I can't conceive of willfully doing something to hurt myself, so I have to conclude someone acting in that way would be virtually asleep - not much awareness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > Right, I was asking in this case for an example of the pragyaparadh > > thingie - 'mistake of the intellect', > > Coincidence, I was just looking up, "googling" the sankrit term, as I had > forgotten it, and came across some meovement and also some non-movement > definitions. Here of the later: > > "prajnaparadha /praj·na·pa·ra·dha/ (pruj″nah-pah-rah-thah´) [Sanskrit] > in ayurveda, deliberate, willful indulgence in unhealthy practices that leads > to unbalanced body functions and disease." > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/prajnaparadha > > I think this is another nice explanation: > > "PragnyaParadh roughly translates to "crimes against one's own wisdom". Its a > concept in Ayurveda (and Vedanta and Yoga) which implies conscience without > the christian overlay of sin. I like this term because it summarizes neatly > the importance of the Truth within, as well as identifies the consequences of > ignoring that small clear voice. Disease happens because of PradnyaParadh - > not taking care of ourselves when we know better. All difficult challenges > are made worse because of this - to know better after all, is to have the > opportunity to do better. Free will is what allows us to make those choices." > http://aparnagnanashini.blogspot.com/2010/11/pradnyapragnyaprajnaparadh.html > > In TM Ayurveda, there is a more broad connection to the idea of Avidya in > Advaita, "pragya aparadh" is the loss of the Self, of Wholeness in favor of > the parts. Its like maya in vedanta, which makes the stick appear to be a > snake, an overlay over reality, a *superimpostion*. (Did anyone ever hear > this word by a neo-advaita teacher?) > > > > which is somewhat abstract wrt everyday life. I understand it better as a > > principle or dynamic of life vs. a blueprint for how to act or think. > > > > I wouldn't advocate if I were hungry to get in touch with myself vs. find > > some food - lol. > > I find it helpful when examining any anger or sadness or frustration or > > fear that may arise in me, and tracing that back to some refusal of mine to > > accept where I am, vs. blaming some external "source". I am sure there a > > lot of uses for it.:-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh OK - got it. Finding false fulfillment in the manipulation of > > > > external events to fix "the problem", instead of finding a more > > > > permanent solution within. > > > > > > Couldn't it be, instead of an 'either or' and 'as well as'? As you paint > > > it now, it sounds as it is a contradiction, turning outside to improve > > > any given situation, OR turning inside to USE the situation to understand > > > ones own psychic reactions and mechanics, but why couldn't the one > > > accompany the other? We could do both, right, use an outside event to > > > understand and improve ourselves, AND do our best to improve the > > > situation. Otherwise, it would really amount to escapism and solipsism. > > > > > > > This Buddhist monk (Tsetan somebody) was talking about that on one of > > > > the BATGAP interviews, and how with the addition of love, anger and > > > > duality are conquered. That was the gist. Thanks! :-) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > "...what I have been calling "lying" is indeed pragyaparadh, the > > > > > > mistake of the intellect! It is that part of us that most furiously > > > > > > desires to be *right* -- and yet can never be right while it is > > > > > > trapped in spacetime." > > > > > > > > > > "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rory - I don't get this. Can you give an example please? What is > > > > > > the intellect mistaking? > > > > > > > > > > > * * * Hi Jim! This will be my last post for the week -- many thanks > > > > > to Alex, whose timely heads-up I much appreciate! I can only speak > > > > > for those trapped I-particles we have discovered in Us. What I am > > > > > finding here is that these intellects are essentially mistaking or > > > > > mis-taking reality itself, or ourself, by wrongly believing that the > > > > > solution to our most acutely unfulfilled need(s) lies in spacetime, > > > > > i.e., sometime "not-Here" and "not-Now." In this way, we place the > > > > > fulfillment of our desires outside our own immediate Being or > > > > > Presence or Love, and therefore actually outside of our own immediate > > > > > power to fulfill. By mistakenly believing in the power of spacetime > > > > > we actually disempower ourself -- often with acute suffering, for > > > > > this is Nature's way of telling us we are mistakenly holding a lie to > > > > > be the truth. > > > > > > > > > > Every I-particle in us apparently finds our own way out of or through > > > > > this predicament, but for us the common denominator seems to be a > > > > > heartfelt surrender into our deepest truth: We are honest with > > > > > ourselves about what our deepest need really is in this moment, and > > > > > that this need is for some "thing" like permanent peace, > > > > > understanding, fullfillment, contentment, ecstasy, creatorship, > > > > > prosperity, Life, Love, Wholeness, God, Heaven, coming Home -- all > > > > > different angles of the same "thing" -- and that this burning need > > > > > really, really matters Here and Now, and that this burning need is > > > > > obviously *never* going to be fulfilled "sometime in the future," > > > > > because "the future" is an illusory carrot on a stick; that permanent > > > > > peace or contentment or fulfillment or world-perfection or God we so > > > > > ardently desire, by definition must lie in unconditional Permanence, > > > > > not in the ever-changing and conditional waves of spacetime. > > > > > > > > > > So if our fulfillment is to be permanent, it must be outside of > > > > > spacetime; hence our fulfillment must somehow already be present Here > > > > > and Now. So we actually surrender our belief in the resistance of > > > > > spacetime, and we surrender or rise up into the ever-present > > > > > fulfillment of our deepest need, Here and Now, on the permanent > > > > > feeling-level. This is where the discriminative intellect is no > > > > > longer mistaken, for it is surrendered into intuitively appreciating > > > > > the Great Mystery of Us, the heartfelt perfection of "God's Will" in > > > > > this moment, Here and Now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
