--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > Nice try troll. Dude, Barry doesn't read my posts. Therefore > > I have no clue who you are, or how you gained access to his > > email account. There is NO WAY you are him - just some impostor > > troll. I DO have evidence though, not from a database, but from > > a real member of the TMO who has access to such things, and it > > is irrefutable. As I said before, Vaj has never learned, > > practiced or taught TM. He also knows nothing about the TM Sidhis. > > I figured as much. Total bullshit. > > I really pity you, Jim. You forget that I used to work > at the Western Regional Office. At that time (the late > 70s), there was no way we could check whether anyone > had learned TM when they applied to go on a residence > course. Early record keeping was so shoddy that there > were records kept on fewer than half the people who had > started.
I remember one fellow teacher, he opened the trunk to his massive maroon Fairlane and there were piles of scattered crumbled, grease and dirt stained initiation forms. These forms I assure you never got to national. Frankly, I have forgotten the protocol. My recollection is that we filed initiation forms at the center, I do not recall sending them to National (a la 1971-72 era.) And with centers moving, shutting down, popping up, teachers moving, etc., its a wonder if many initiation forms at the centers had a long and healthy life. And I spend a summer at Gayley, did some volunteer work around Regional and National. Though a nice facility, still, the majority were in their early to mid 20's, i could imagine a lot of stuff not filed correctly even if they got the forms. I was on the first team of guvs to hit the streets. That was chaotic, changing cast of characters, moving around to various places to give courses, abandonment of the group when the next organizational thing came along. Again, I don't recall the protocol -- I do remember the accounting forms to send National their cut. But the forms -- I don't recall sending them -- but that does not mean they were not sent. And I am SURE my course application to early courses like Squaw Valley and Asilomar are all in tact and in some data base! Ha! And my TTC and later coursing it up at later TTCs. These were last minute decisions to go to this or that course. Several I just jumped on a plane and showed up -- no prior course app or anything. "Administrators" were not even aware I was there for a while -- jumping around from hotel to hotel trying to find a quiet room. The point is, things were very loose, fluid, moving, people living out of suit cases, etc. That forms got tossed, not filed, etc was common. I was called up for an EMERGENCY group to go to Iran or somewhere -- after dropping everything, we sat around one of the Academies for weeks -- while "plans were made" (would have been nice if he plans were made prior to everyone dropping jobs, obligations etc to come.) Finally, when time to implement -- we were bussed to the airport and then it was discovered that some sterling administrator forgot the passports. This sort of exemplifies my view of how well SIMS / WPEC was organized and administered. The firm belief that everyone who was initiated in the 60's and early 70's is on some easily quieried central database is silly and laughable to anyone who was there at the time. > I have heard from two people who applied for > "dome badges" in Fairfield that the TMO could find no > record of them ever having learned TM. Both were TM > teachers, and had to prove who they were by bringing > in "course photos" from their TTC. Same thing happened > (although in L.A., not Fairfield) with a couple who were > trying to go on the TM-Sidhis course. The TMO could find > no record of them ever having started, and when they > suggested that the course office just call their > initiator, the TMO could find no record of him, either. > They had to track down his phone number themselves and > give it to the TM National Center. :-) > > But that's just everyday, ordinary incompetence. What > you're doing is outright lying, and you know it. We > all know your track record of lying here -- posting > under several aliases while denying it was you until > you fucked up and posted one of your shitty songs under > the alias that listed its copyright under your real name. > You've *still* never owned up to having been all those > "other people." > > I don't find Vaj terribly credible, but until you or > someone else can *deliver* definitive proof of your > claim, a claim it remains, made by someone with an > actual *proven* track record of lying on this forum. > > I'll be interested to see what happens with the "pile > on" from this. Will any real TM supporter have the guts > to call you on doing the exact same thing you're claim- > ing Vaj does? Or will they just hang back and be silent? > I'll be particularly watching seventhray1. > > I would be the first to give Vaj a serious truckload of > shit if you could actually prove your claims, and I > write this here as a promise, one that I can be held to. > Seems to me that if you had real evidence you'd produce > it, just to see this happen. > > But you won't be able to. You won't even try. And the > *same* people here who "pile on" to the "Vaj never learned > TM" meme will let you get away with it, or support you > in your lie, as they have done for years. If this is > the result of practicing "the best form of meditation > on the planet," much less being "enlightened," you're > welcome to it. > > And all of this because someone dissed a dead man you > never met. Pathetic. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Vaj, that is impossible. Unlike most I know your birth name, > > > > not the phony one you use, and there is ABSOLUTELY no record > > > > of you having learned, practiced or taught TM. > > > > > > Perhaps Mr. Enlightened would like to tell us where > > > and how he verified that there is no record of this. > > > > > > Or maybe we should assume that because even everyday > > > TM teachers don't have access to this kind of inform- > > > ation, Jim (never having become a teacher) is...uh... > > > lying about it. > > > > > > Bottom line for me is that unless Jim can tell us > > > exactly which TMO database he queried to supposedly > > > find this information, and provide us with the exact > > > details so that we can replicate and verify it our- > > > selves, I have to assume that he is lying. > > > > > > What's good for the goose is good for the gander. > > > Steve (seventhray1) will probably believe Jim, and > > > will feel no need to check out Jim's "facts," just > > > as he felt no need to check on Richard Nelson's. So, > > > undoubtedly, will the rest of the "pile on" crowd. > > > But I'm thinkin' a little proof is in order. > > > > > > Doesn't Jim ever THINK about what he's demonstrating > > > as the "behavior of the enlightened" by doing this > > > stuff? Getting his buttons pushed and then spending > > > endless posts throwing out insults? Declaring other > > > people to be liars while exposing himself as one? > > > > > > I'm not sure what distresses me the most about long- > > > term TMers, their gullibility or their vindictiveness. > > > > > >
