--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@...> wrote: > > > RC: > > > > This is standard fundamentalism and is straight out of a Jack Chick > cartoon. "I was deceived by Hindoo demons posing as angels" is > laughable. > > > > > You are still blaming someone else for your spiritual delusions. > > > In the Orthodox Church they understand this and call it "prelest". It is > a subtle but quite strong ego attachment to your "spiritual states" > which are really only psyche-referencings. The Orthodox, of course, like > to describe it in theologic-anthropologic language but the principal is > the same although it is variously described in differing spiritual > traditions. > > > > There is no enlightenment for you to gain and then loose - much less to > deny. There is only Aufklärung > <http://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufkl%C3%A4rung> clearing up. Your > awareness never changed and never needing changing it was complete > and whole before you were born and it is just like this now. > > > > Nothing can be "humbled" but your self-image. The rest of you > continues onward with all of your sanskara-s intact. > > > > Read it and weep. > . > RESPONSE: Good to finally get *that* cleared up, emptybill. But why do these > Orthodox guys have such a problem imagining the procession of the Holy Ghost > from the Son? If they hadn't taken such a hard line on that mattersevering > themselves from those nice guys in Romewhy I would have to believe you in > what you tell me here.
But being a dogmatic loyalist (to the posthumous Church of Rome) just on principle I refuse to be swayed by your analysis here. Do you blame me? There is only one "spiritual tradition" for me: The one which made the murderous wolf obey Saint Francisoutdoing even Curtisalthough, if Curtis decided to start up his own church, I would certainly come to his first service. After all, he's pretty persuasive with the monkeys and the parrots and the cats. You are asking me to give up the understanding that has formed through all my suffering and confusion and terrorand grace. That's not easy, emptybill. I need to hear more. Meanwhile, I appreciate being given directions to the heavenly city of Truth. I think you may have missed a few of my virtues by the way. Robin > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra <no_reply@> wrote: > Eventually, however, enlightenment proves itself to be a hallucination; > but since it was created by the Devas, the "impulses of creative > intelligence", and is sustained by those same Devas, and impulses of > creative intelligence, it is a bloody wonder while it goes on. And it is > the worst thing one can conceive of, the realization that one must come > out from under these Devas and impulses of creative intelligenceand > oppose themin order to become normal and sane and real (to oneself) > once again. The methodology of de-enlightenment will of course vary from > individual to individual. In my case it was painful, humbling, and at > times downright terrifying. But I am glad to be back in ordinary waking > state consciousness. Still suffering from the vestigial remains of Unity > Consciousnessbut re-established(!) in my ignorance. (Or the > natural, fallen, and contingent reality of being a created and > unnecessary being.) > > > > >
