"But if I do feel I see something in you, did you just give me permission to post it here?"
Most definitely. Because I happen to know, by past experience, that it would be true. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > I'm glad you like it. That goes for both of us. But then what comes next? > I won't, I must must admit, be reading all your posts. But if I do feel I > see something in you, did you just give me permission to post it here (not, > necessarily, that it will happen)? And I agree about Peter, all that you say > here. > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 11:57 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > "Re Peter, maybe his stroke knocked some of his conditioning out the > > window, too." This sentence caught my attention, And it seemed to go to my > > experience of the video. Not to account for my experience; but I think the > > stroke broke him down in some way which created a sense of physical > > humility. He was thrown upon his knees in a manner of speaking, and I think > > it perhaps released his best self. Peter Wallace himself might offer some > > insight here: I got the sense that he is very alert to metaphysical nuance; > > in fact what was most astonishing to me was the correspondence between his > > spiritual vocabulary and the reality to which this vocabulary referred to. > > He was in effect simply describing his experience. But that experience made > > itself known to us (for me at least) as an objective reality. > > > > Mariana Caplan, I have to put off, since I am Eastern-phobic when it comes > > to books. I don't want to be reminded of my mystical past; it is still too > > dominant in my physiology. The Lee Zozowick episode put me in the mind of > > my seminarsagain, something I have come view as part of the hallucination > > of my Unity Consciousness, even as there was extraordinary drama and humour > > and entertainment. But there was also pain and violence, and it was driven > > by the assumptionand inspirationof my enlightenment. > > > > Regarding myself, I already have a feeling that your "objective > > vulnerability" (the context which is structured in your nervous system) is > > recording its impressions of me, and sooner or later it will reveal some > > truth about me. > > > > But you will understand why I must break this off here (LW). > > > > I can feel even in this moment your consciousness upon meand I like it. > > > > Robin > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > This gave me the grins. Thanks. > > > I'm reading a few books by this wonderful woman, Mariana Caplan. She's > > > really made quite a study of it and has a great grasp and insight into > > > the whole spiritual path thing. I read Eyes Wide Open first. I heartily > > > recommend it. I'm reading The Guru Question now. In it she explicates all > > > about that, but also uses her own path as examples of what one might > > > encounter. Her description of her first encounter with her own teacher > > > when she met him in Thiruvannaamalai, an American madman named Lee > > > Lozowick of the crazy wisdom traditions whose teacher was Yogi > > > Ramsuratkumar, is great. Upon taking one look at her, he spent 40 minutes > > > vivisecting her with merciless but purely objective discernment which her > > > ego was horrified by, but her spirit perceived as pure love. Of course > > > there was an audience there, as well. First he asked her if she wanted to > > > know what was going on with her. When she said yes, he asked her if she > > > were sure. He only started in on her after her second assent. Later, a > > > bunch of people there invited her to meet with them and spent the whole > > > time talking about how horrible Lee was to her. She heard them out, but > > > already knew Lee was her teacher. > > > I wish I could do that. But it seems I have to get to at least spend a > > > little time with a person first, though there often are things I believe > > > I can objectively see right away. It took me years with M. > > > Re Peter, maybe his stroke knocked some of his conditioning out the > > > window, too. But, again, my experience of him was almost 40 years ago. > > > A tiny bit re the LW. But you did pretty well...:-) > > > m > > > > > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 4:28 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > I think I am going to return to my purported Unity Consciousness, make > > > > you my skin boy, and then years later, read what you have to say about > > > > me: this, so I can get a true insight into myself. Because I think you > > > > might be able to tell me somethingif you knew me like you get to know > > > > othersthat I as yet still don't know about myself. The way you > > > > objectively carve someone up, it seems to me like impersonal surgery; > > > > therefore true. I am already gettingat least from the pasta fuller > > > > picture of Peter Wallace. Again, that picture does not undermine my > > > > recent experience; but I can sense, in terms of his personal history at > > > > least, there were thing to overcome. Has he overcome them? That > > > > fascinates me, because his performance on this video did not suggest > > > > the things that were no doubt true about him in the past. > > > > > > > > Got to cut it off here, Mark, as I mortify the longwindedness > > > > temptation. Which is obviously now that it has been put into a post by > > > > *you* has to point up some compensation in me for insecurity about > > > > *something*. What, I am not sure. But with you I got to keep what's > > > > wrong with me hiddenat least until I'm ready to hear it. > > > > > > > > No, so far it's pretty straight between us. That's my experience anyhow. > > > > > > > > But that "pulverizing" insight you gave to David Sieveking (re: MMY), > > > > it stays with me still. > > > > > > > > Amazing insight, that. > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, my experience of Peter Wallace remains what it was. > > > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > P.S. These further remarks about PW still have that signature > > > > objectivity. No personal animus shows at all. Therefore the "objective > > > > vulnerability" thing. LW = longwindedness: did it get me at the end > > > > here, Mark? Hope not. > > > > r > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, loving the deep end and long windedness, but always appreciated, > > > > > at least by me... > > > > > Yes, of course I considered the possibility that, over the years, the > > > > > arrogance, assaultiveness and, even, in some ways, simple-mindedness > > > > > that I perceived in him nearly forty years ago has been tempered or > > > > > even fully released. And there is always the possibility that my > > > > > judgmentalness and projection distorted my experience of him back > > > > > then. I didn't spend a whole lot of time in his company. But, as I > > > > > said, I would be surprised if he were fully the saint you seemed to > > > > > be depicting. I experienced him, too, in this video, as being sincere > > > > > and convincing and at rest within himself. But wholly benign? That's > > > > > what we see in the video, but if that were really true of him now (Is > > > > > anyone on the planet wholly benign?) then he really has gone through > > > > > quite a transformation. > > > > > Anybody there know him personally now that can give more feedback? > > > > > And thank you for your kind words of me and your transmission. Always > > > > > back at you as well. I will never need reminding of everything that > > > > > happened between us, though I realize that some of what you wrote may > > > > > here be for the benefit of others, as well. > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 1:48 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > Very grateful, as always, for this thoughtful and discerning post. > > > > > > I searched for evidence (in general) of what you have told me here > > > > > > (of course I knew nothing about Peter Wallace, and naturally was > > > > > > entirely ignorant of specific more ambivalent takes on him by > > > > > > persons who were close to himas I assume you were)and missed it > > > > > > altogether. He (PW) came off as utterly sincere and convincing. But > > > > > > when I read your remarks here below, I must fit this counter-data > > > > > > into my software (the software of how my sensibilities operate in > > > > > > the world of experience and people). All I know is: the vibration > > > > > > coming off of this person struck me as wholly benign and deservedly > > > > > > earned (by his suffering, by the range of his experience, by his > > > > > > singular devotion to a Master). I am not going to press you for > > > > > > more details about how my impression of him (from this video) runs > > > > > > up against behaviour observed by other human beings (who have the > > > > > > privileged perspective of first hand knowledge). Is it possible he > > > > > > got beyond some of this "quirky, lunatic, dark side"? Or when you > > > > > > watched this 41 minute video, you felt, latently, the presence, > > > > > > still, of those traits consistent with what you tell me here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I concur with much of what you say after this: viz. the > > > > > > significance of his [PW's] pre-Maharishi spiritual associations; > > > > > > the more supernaturally inspired performance of Maharishi in those > > > > > > earlier days; the idea of grace touching that whole [W] family (I > > > > > > don't know Keith Wallace at all, but he too has always struck me as > > > > > > gentle, intelligent, and sincerewithout the distortions that seem > > > > > > to stick to so many leaders of the Movement, stubbornly resisting > > > > > > whatever efficacy TM has to smooth them out). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will always reserve a special place of respect for and > > > > > > vulnerability to you, Mark, becauseI know you don't forget > > > > > > thisyou, through your experiences of Maharishi, as described in > > > > > > one particular post, objectified Maharishi for me (as Judith > > > > > > Bourque had done in a very different way in her book): quite > > > > > > spontaneously, mechanically, even, allowing me to see him *as a > > > > > > man*, as a human being. This comprehension of Maharishi was > > > > > > delivered, then, though an entirely objective process: Mark Landau, > > > > > > without necessarily consciously being right up to this truth, > > > > > > nevertheless took in who Maharishi really was; and this truth was > > > > > > transferred to me (without, I think, you even realizing this, Mark) > > > > > > such that I was able to see the man behind the mask. This was a > > > > > > form of liberation for me. And it has stayed with me, even though, > > > > > > as I discovered subsequently, there was still a ways to go in > > > > > > breaking down my disciple-to-Master connection to Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > You got me free (or rather reality did through you) at the most > > > > > > fundamental level though. Your words in that post, Mark, then, > > > > > > carried the subtext of truthand, as you know, I chalk this up to > > > > > > what I have referred to as your "objective vulnerability"in most > > > > > > people, vulnerability is mostly subjective; in your casealthough > > > > > > you obviously have the subjective form of thisyou also carry with > > > > > > you a faculty of sensitivity which is entirely independent of your > > > > > > personal historyand maybe even operates mostly oblivious to your > > > > > > conscious experience. But it is there, as proven by what was > > > > > > meta-psychologically delivered up to me, who was held in a kind of > > > > > > mystical trance. Youvia this objective vulnerabilitybroke that > > > > > > trance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to Peter Wallace: he did score big with me, Mark, and he still > > > > > > does. That is to say, what you say about him here, although I > > > > > > intuit it is accurate, has not qualified the impression he made > > > > > > upon me during that tape. Maybe you can explain this better than I > > > > > > could. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am predisposed (by habit, by intention) to see the weakness in > > > > > > the effect of the Eastern paradigm upon the Western personality: in > > > > > > this case it went quite in the reverse direction: I saw the > > > > > > strength of what the East had done for the Westerner Peter > > > > > > Wallaceand I was amazed. > > > > > > > > > > > > But at least factually I know more now, as I would never reject any > > > > > > impression you have formed of a given person, since the impression > > > > > > (that formed all by itself) carried inside of you of Maharishi > > > > > > Mahesh Yogi I believe to be the acutest of any person I have come > > > > > > across in the Movement. Who and what Maharishi was is inside the > > > > > > soul and nervous system of Mark Landau. This is a particular belief > > > > > > of mineregardless of whether Mark Landau himself can always do > > > > > > justice to the depth and exactness of that impression. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will shut up now, Markbefore FFL readers here start holding > > > > > > their noses. (Some of them don't like things to get too > > > > > > personalcan't blame them really.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sending you whatever love and positivity I have within me to > > > > > > wherever you are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau <m@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear, dear, Robin, > > > > > > > You so love the deep end (as, I must admit, I do, too)... > > > > > > > My experience of Peter Wallace is confined to the seventies, but, > > > > > > > back then, he definitely had his quirky, lunatic, abrasive, dark > > > > > > > side just like the rest of us. I would be very surprised if that > > > > > > > has changed, though, I too, was moved and enjoyably surprised by > > > > > > > a) how he seemed here and b) some of his disclosures, which I > > > > > > > hadn't previously known. (And remember, too, what spontaneously > > > > > > > motivated him and what he did before he even met M. Perhaps that > > > > > > > whole family was touched by grace.) > > > > > > > I have always felt that the best of M was more in evidence at the > > > > > > > beginning and from there things progressively deteriorated. Peter > > > > > > > was blessed to get more of that early stuff and it seems to have > > > > > > > stayed with him quite gracefully. > > > > > > > I have no question that there are many who have found a > > > > > > > significant degree of peace and grace through M and TM. > > > > > > > Bless your Catholic soul, > > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 2011, at 12:24 PM, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dick Mays, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know you, but I am determined to let you know that > > > > > > > > Peter Wallace's talk here is the best thing that has ever come > > > > > > > > out of the Movement. Him. His credibility. His gentleness. His > > > > > > > > serenity. His humility. His goodness. Quite an awesome > > > > > > > > experience, especially for someone with my perspective on > > > > > > > > Maharishi and TM. No matter what: Peter Wallace testifies to > > > > > > > > two things: God gave him a beautiful soul and 2. His > > > > > > > > association with Maharishi and TM was unreservedly positive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the tremendous dissonance this sets up in my heart and > > > > > > > > in my consciousness: to see someone embody so much of what is > > > > > > > > good and true (about the East, but even about the West too): > > > > > > > > Peter Wallace is a personality that is authentically wise, > > > > > > > > compassionate, and selfless. He compels us with the quality of > > > > > > > > his person and the quality of his consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magnificent. I am a thorough-going apostate from MMY, TM, and > > > > > > > > the Movement, but everything that led me to make this break is > > > > > > > > disproven and repudiated by the living personal performance of > > > > > > > > this human being, now living in Fairfield. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Wallace is the only [for me] really convincing exemplar > > > > > > > > of what the promise of TM is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand the presence of Jim Mayhew (sp?) in this video, > > > > > > > > but I would rather have had Peter Russell occupy the physical > > > > > > > > space alone, since Peter Russellat least to my intense > > > > > > > > scrutiny of himis without any obvious flaws (I mean as an > > > > > > > > example of a TM teacher). Jim Mayhew is not as subtle or > > > > > > > > innocently deft in his efforts to promote TM and MMY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am amazed and glad there is some evidence (embodied in a > > > > > > > > human being) of the good that TM and MMY can do. Peter > > > > > > > > Russell's extraordinary spirit here, as it expresses itself in > > > > > > > > words (memories of MMY and India), seems almost a supernatural > > > > > > > > anomaly juxtaposed to others who oversee Maharishi's Movement > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I take this event as a blessing. For Peter Russell, out of > > > > > > > > the depths of his soul, gave me something that I doubt I could > > > > > > > > get anywhere else in the universe. This, at least, is the > > > > > > > > verdict I pass on the experience that opened up in my whole > > > > > > > > nervous system just listening to him, watching his face and > > > > > > > > gestures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. I will say it. The first saint of the TM Movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And therefore a contradiction of everything I have come to > > > > > > > > believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How merciful for everyone there living in Fairfield who is > > > > > > > > still loyal to Maharishi, TM, and the TM Movement: the physical > > > > > > > > presence of this person Peter Russell, it may be about the best > > > > > > > > thing there is in Fairfield, if I am to go by my subjective > > > > > > > > experience watching this video. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible you could, Dick Mays, pass on this appreciation > > > > > > > > to Peter Russell? Even as I am, of course, persona non grata in > > > > > > > > the TM Movementand prefer it to be this way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As one human being witnessing the behaviour and personality of > > > > > > > > another human being, I have to say: Peter Russell, he is the > > > > > > > > real deal. And he got to be that way by an orthodox adherence > > > > > > > > to Maharishi and The Teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Russell in my judgment towers above anyone I have met > > > > > > > > (outside of Maharishi) who claims to be enlightened (not that > > > > > > > > he, Peter Russell himself, has ever made this claim; evidently > > > > > > > > he has not). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Dick Mays, you get my point: this is a beautiful human > > > > > > > > being who in his person represents the wisdom of the East > > > > > > > > better than anyone I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this video gets seen by everyone who ever had anything > > > > > > > > to do with Maharishi in a personal sense. That would, at the > > > > > > > > very least, include every single teacher of TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am grateful to you, Dick Mays, for alerting me to something > > > > > > > > as rare and exquisite and real as this experience was that was > > > > > > > > given to me by Peter Russell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <dickmays@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarded from a friend: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are some wonderful, rich stories in here about > > > > > > > > > Maharishi as > > > > > > > > > well as Anandamayi Ma... Well worth listening to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI GURU DEV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WE are so fortunate........ beyond our imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Recent video by Peter Wallace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very precious, some of same material as MUM talk, but extra > > > > > > > > > depth in > > > > > > > > > other areas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeh-dH97nU&feature=relmfu>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeh-dH97nU&feature=relmfu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
