On Nov 8, 2011, at 9:40 AM, cardemaister wrote:

Well, duh! That's rather exactly what according to PJ seems to
be the conditio sine qua non of (asaMprajñaata?)-samaadhi
(for upaaya-pratyaya-yogi_s):

*shraddhaa*-viirya-smRti-samaadhi-prajñaa-puurvaka
itareSaam!

shraddhA f. faith , trust , confidence , trustfulness , faithfulness , belief in...


Of course you'd have to accept that TM was a practice that related to the YS - which it does not. But even if it did, the deeper meaning of shraddha as I understood it was having faith that samadhi was the path and that the lineage from the guru was authentic, thus leading us to samadhi, which is a tool for realization.

Since we now know two important things: there still is no evidence of higher states of consciousness in TMers as of 2011 and the sad news that MMY was not from the tradition he claimed, it's kind of irrelevant. You could certainly have the faith that MMY was from the tradition he claimed, but given what we know today, you'd be a fool to believe that. But he did put on a very convincing show.

My point being such faith depends on the authenticity of the guru, not his stage presence or persona.

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