Well, I think I'm at 47 posts with this one, so clearly I'll be quieter today. Something's gotta rein me in :) A schedule is coming soon enough, though and I need to walk my cat today and hit the gym.
"Humiliation is only a quality of the relative not of the essence." Quality of the relative versus quality of the absolute - from the internet...If one assumes the criteria for the "quality" of object x is something "unquantifiable," then likely the "it's relative" phrase would be thrown around to describe its intrinsic dependence upon the observer as to the "level" of "quality. I put "level" in quotes the time prior to this one, in order to emphasize the questionable relevance of the concept under this scenario. In that, it's all subjective, which I largely agree with. For example, I have a choice in how I interpret you, what you say, etc. After thinking on "humiliation" last night, the word that popped into my head this morning was "humility." Now, I can't have a philosophical discussion on either of those words, so I'll leave it there. And then, there are the "labels." For me, I ultimately don't see the point in applying them to the degree that it dismisses the individual from consideration. To the extent that I've been "labeled" in my life, it has served only to render part of me disabled, where I cease to exist to myself on some level and start to self-destruct behind said label. Rejecting the label as something that neatly "defines" me has been critical to my survival. What I have loved about this forum, is really (and I've said this before) the room that it gives to exist...and much of that room is granted by those that practice or have practiced TM - in seeming direct opposition to the "control" the organization might wield. It does seem to follow the concept of separating the message from the messenger, for me. The "room" that exists here has helped and healed me in so many ways, it is unbelievable, and unexplainable. I had a therapist tell me it would cost me thousands of dollars and years of therapy to "recover" from my life's wounds, so to speak. That was my last appointment with her, of course, as I'd already been through years of talk therapy. That kind of therapy has very limited applicability, in my view. I don't have the answers to much, but I want to be somewhere where there is the "room" to exist (at least in my fantasy). Ravi, please don't leave without saying "until we meet again." >________________________________ > From: Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.r...@gmail.com> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:12 PM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi >Chivukula > > > >No worries, words are always limiting and it only causes more questions. Trust >me when I say this, my own intellect constantly challenges its own statements >and opinions. So whatever I say can never be the truth or the final truth. You >don't have to respond till you make sense of it or have more questions. >Remember you are at 43 posts now :-). > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> wrote: >> >> Wait....I've had all I can take...I need to think about this statement below >> in the context of what you are saying.  >> >> "Humiliation is only a quality of the relative not of the essence." >> >> I'm not sure about this statement below either.  I'm not sure you will be >> the "first" person to do this..."soothingly"...I don't know that that was >> actually your first response when confronted...someone on this forum might >> beat you to it :) >> >> "And I will be the first person, if needed to soothe, love, apply medicine >> Denise." >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:09 PM >> >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to >> >Ravi Chivukula >> > >> > >> > >> >And I will be the first person, if needed to soothe, love, apply medicine >> >Denise. You are a mother, you will easily understand this - the fact that >> >you can hurt your child and then unconditionally love, soothe them a little >> >later. >> > >> > >> >That's why I always used to laugh at liberals, the ones who were single >> >childless, their fascination for projecting non-violence, peace, >> >non-violent communication on to others. Their furious, feverish efforts to >> >numb themselves, insulate themselves from pain by trying to control the >> >whole world used to be so hilarious and fascinating to me. >> > >> > >> > >> >On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: >> > >> > >> >Thanks Denise. Well because if the other throws his shit at me I sometimes >> >double down and throw it back at them. >> >> >> >> >> >>Again humiliation from their perspective. Humiliation is only a quality of >> >>the relative not of the essence. I'm not that egotistic to think I can >> >>ever taint, or humiliate the truth. Well the truth is essentially >> >>untouched like I say. >> >> >> >> >> >>I feel I only attack their beliefs, their personality, together with >> >>socially, morally inappropriate curse words thrown to complete the shock >> >>treatment but for the other it's a humiliation because they are so >> >>identified with it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Alright....I might buy most of this.....I am "taken in" by you...you have >> >>>pushed me and I appreciate that.  But, while I do understand the concept >> >>>that you might feel the other persons pain after humiliating them....why >> >>>choose that tactic?  It's not clear to me how humiliation really serves >> >>>anyone except yourself possibly.  >> >>>< >> >>>P.S.  I might be close on my posts.  When the post count goes >> >>>out...what is UT...how do I translate that to Pacific Time? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>________________________________ >> >>>> From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... >> >>>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:37 PM >> >>>>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to >> >>>>Ravi Chivukula >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted to >> >>>>challenge me. Now having humiliated this person, I feel that person's >> >>>>emotions - hurt, pain, anger, because they are another part of me, how >> >>>>can I not feel hurt? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>But I am able to quickly internalize and transform these emotions, both >> >>>>mine and the other. I feel joy and blissful very quickly. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>" >> >>>>>Hmmmmm......the "winner" ....huh.  Your statement here is a bit >> >>>>>convoluted.  If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." >> >>>>> You make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches >> you.".." >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Ravi - Approaches with an agenda that is, as in to confront me. Winner >> >>>>>only from their perspective. I don't care either way, but the choice to >> >>>>>play or withdraw with my playful humor or entice them with my love is >> >>>>>entirely up to my intuition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>"Yes...."if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please >> >>>>>you....."you remain untouched."  This is your reality then? " >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Yes. Since I'm ever alert I just adapt seamlessly, a bit unruffled at >> >>>>>first on a completely new situation but never throws me off balance. >> >>>>>It's work in progress anyway, I will only get better. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>><snip> >> >>>>>>Anyway my 99 cents on this. The only way anyone can approach me, >> >>>>>>understand me, conquer me is through love.  >> >>>>>>< >> >>>>>>I know this Ravi.  This is true for all humans, in the end.  This is >> >>>>>>why I sent you that painting - it really is a beautiful piece (IMHO). >> >>>>>> I think Bob understood what I was saying as he was the only one to >> >>>>>>respond, except for your initial response.  It was not at all about >> >>>>>>my fixation with the male sex organ (and I do not have a fixation >> >>>>>>btw).  Robin thought someone should meet you where you were at...that >> >>>>>>was my attempt :) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>><snip> >> >>>>>>If someone approaches me with an agenda to one up me, with a belief, >> >>>>>>through the intellect I will always be the winner because I myself >> >>>>>>have no agenda, no beliefs so this person who approaches me thus is >> >>>>>>completely vulnerable to my attacks. If I so desire I will use my >> >>>>>>toxic tongue and caustic sarcasm to humiliate them or may be like >> >>>>>>Barry says rip them a new asshole or I may just my playful detached >> >>>>>>humor to escape or use my unconditional love to spoil them with >> >>>>>>attention, love, humility and kindness. Either way I remain untouched, >> >>>>>>untainted, untarnished by anything outside of me. >> >>>>>>< >> >>>>>>Hmmmmm......the "winner" ....huh.  Your statement here is a bit >> >>>>>>convoluted.  If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." >> >>>>>> You make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches >> >>>>>>you."  Yes...."if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please >> >>>>>>you....."you remain untouched."  This is your reality then? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>________________________________ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >
