You both have hit on the troubling thing here. It is basically a strategy of of a closed system to any learning or feedback. Combined with pugnaciousness, and an belief that when he "wins" it is only from the perspective of the person he has "humiliated" (does anyone here think this has ever happened?) and that he feels their pain so it is all OK, and finally that it is coming from the level of the creator of the universe, we have a perfect anti-social storm.
This belief system is not serving you Ravi. It is a thin excuse for loutish behavior. No one is buying it but you. Ravi raving: "Curtis, the messiah of intellectual dishonesty " This is unfair. I challenge you to provide a single thing I have written that is dishonest, you know, intellectually. Ravi, the spiritual perspective you are seeing yourself through is not serving you. It is misleading you as you mislead yourself. I don't doubt that you have special talents and a creative enough mind to accomplish all sorts of things in your life. But the idea that you are in a special state of mind that gives you insight into the mind of the creator of the universe, giving you special dispensation to act like a dick to people is dangerously delusional. It will cause you much unhappiness in your life and will serve as an impediment to your having successful relationships. If your so called friends here really cared about your welfare, they would be sending you this message form someone you might have a chance of hearing it from. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > Denise, you are one awesome lady. Always working to bring balance to > situation. This is why I am such a fan of the female energy. Really, > you leave me kind of speechless. (-: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > wrote: > > > > Thank god, DEFCON 1 has never been called for. > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > From: seventhray1 steve.sundur@ > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:58 PM > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to > Ravi Chivukula > > > > > > > > >Â > > >DEFCON 2 > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ > wrote: > > >> > > >> Thanks Denise. Well because if the other throws his shit at me I > sometimes double down and throw it back at them. > > >> > > >> Again humiliation from their perspective. Humiliation is only a > quality of the relative not of the essence. I'm not that egotistic to > think I can ever taint, or humiliate the truth. Well the truth is > essentially untouched like I say. > > >> > > >> I feel I only attack their beliefs, their personality, together > with socially, morally inappropriate curse words thrown to complete the > shock treatment but for the other it's a humiliation because they are so > identified with it. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: > > >> > > >> > Alright....I might buy most of this.....I am "taken in" by > you...you have pushed me and I appreciate that. But, while I do > understand the concept that you might feel the other persons pain after > humiliating them....why choose that tactic? It's not clear to me how > humiliation really serves anyone except yourself possibly. > > >> > < > > >> > P.S. I might be close on my posts. When the post count goes > out...what is UT...how do I translate that to Pacific Time? > > >> > > > >> > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ > > >> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:37 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] > Letter to Ravi Chivukula > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted > to challenge me. Now having humiliated this person, I feel that person's > emotions - hurt, pain, anger, because they are another part of me, how > can I not feel hurt? > > >> > > > >> > But I am able to quickly internalize and transform these > emotions, both mine and the other. I feel joy and blissful very quickly. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> " > > >> >> Hmmmmm......the "winner" ....huh. Your statement here is a bit > convoluted. If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You > make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches you.".." > > >> >> > > >> >> Ravi - Approaches with an agenda that is, as in to confront me. > Winner only from their perspective. I don't care either way, but the > choice to play or withdraw with my playful humor or entice them with my > love is entirely up to my intuition. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> "Yes...."if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please > you....."you remain untouched." This is your reality then? " > > >> >> > > >> >> Yes. Since I'm ever alert I just adapt seamlessly, a bit > unruffled at first on a completely new situation but never throws me off > balance. It's work in progress anyway, I will only get better. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> <snip> > > >> >>> Anyway my 99 cents on this. The only way anyone can approach > me, understand me, conquer me is through love. > > >> >>> < > > >> >>> I know this Ravi. This is true for all humans, in the end. This > is why I sent you that painting - it really is a beautiful piece (IMHO). > I think Bob understood what I was saying as he was the only one to > respond, except for your initial response. It was not at all about my > fixation with the male sex organ (and I do not have a fixation btw). > Robin thought someone should meet you where you were at...that was my > attempt :) > > >> >>> > > >> >>> <snip> > > >> >>> If someone approaches me with an agenda to one up me, with a > belief, through the intellect I will always be the winner because I > myself have no agenda, no beliefs so this person who approaches me thus > is completely vulnerable to my attacks. If I so desire I will use my > toxic tongue and caustic sarcasm to humiliate them or may be like Barry > says rip them a new asshole or I may just my playful detached humor to > escape or use my unconditional love to spoil them with attention, love, > humility and kindness. Either way I remain untouched, untainted, > untarnished by anything outside of me. > > >> >>> < > > >> >>> Hmmmmm......the "winner" ....huh. Your statement here is a bit > convoluted. If you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You > make some assumptions here about "the person who approaches you." > Yes...."if you so desire" you can use whatever tactics please > you....."you remain untouched." This is your reality then? > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
