Hi Susan, I just responded to Steve regarding Ravi's behavior. And I will agree to disagree, I like all of the different voices on here now, and its gotten whats-his-face to pretty much just review movies, which is awesome!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> wrote: > > > > Hi Susan, One thing I like to watch on FFL is context. I don't know if you > > remember even a year ago or less, when one or two of the folks here would > > write daily screeds against whole groups of people, a low level toxicity on > > a daily basis - more politically correct certainly, but not dissimilar to > > having a racist continually rant against black people. > > > > It became the norm. Most of us just laughed it off. Sometimes the attacks > > got very nasty, and were always distorted, but almost no one noticed. This > > became daily life on FFL. We were used to it. > > > > Then several months ago, a new group of posters showed up and, lo and > > behold, they are fiercely challenging what has become the status quo here. > > Just by showing up they have created an environment closer to what was > > intended when FFL started; the will to discover, vs. believe. > > > > I for one find it refreshing that it is once again possible to talk about > > anything at all on here, without having long winded tracts of BS stinking > > up the place on a daily basis. I don't agree with everything that is said > > here, but at least now there is variety and vitality. > > > > As for anything said about Curtis, he isn't shy about his opinions and can > > take care of himself I am sure. Please correct me on that if I am wrong > > Curtis, though I will cringe if you do... > > Cringe not. Curtis has an intellect that can write up a storm and defend > himself. He already has. I could not match him, or Judy or many others here. > But specific to this last exchange, you all know that Ravi knows nothing of > events that occurred when most of us were actually teaching TM and disciples > of Maharishi, way back in the 70's and early 80's. That is when Curtis was > around, and that is when I was around. So why would any of you fans of Ravi > buy into that wild lie about why Curtis left the movement and promote it and > defend Ravi? I don't get it. > > I know that you feel strongly about not liking Barry's "rants" and > classifying you all as TB's etc, I get that. That has been going on for years > and is really between Judy and Barry, with a few others included. I usually > ignore a lot from them both. Nevertheless, I like many of Barry's ideas and > so do others, including Curtis. But does that justify this turning on Curtis > or anyone else when you know it is an out and out lie? It does not. > > And I disagree with you - I see no improvement in FFL lately. None at all. > I see a bunch of people, you included, that seemed once to have some heart > and some sense even if I did not always agree with you, and even if I often > enjoy Barry and Curtis. I see you all getting swept up in Ravi's whirlwind, > or Robin's, using it to pull yourselves into a tighter group and giving you > something to agree about, to rally around. As I said a few days ago, it > feels like a feeding frenzy, a pack of wild dogs or pirana. And someone is > getting hurt here. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, nothing like hearing an excellent reputation that my ass > > > > > > now has to try to live up to! Thanks Marek! > > > > > > > > > > > > "Untethered" is such an excellent word. I think the egging on > > > > > > has to do with the fact that some of the new posters figured > > > > > > out the social system. If you throw mud at Barry and Vaj and > > > > > > myself, certain people will have your back. > > > > > > > > > > Says Curtis, parroting one of Barry's more ridiculous > > > > > excuses, a variant of the one he borrowed yesterday. > > > > > > > > Wow, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with that reason. Then > > > > you genuinely support Ravi lying about why I left the movement on a > > > > public forum, his constant use of a slur against people with mental > > > > disabilities, and and trollish offensive language toward me. > > > > > > Hey Judy, you know that I like reading you and respect your honesty and > > > common sense. I can't figure out what has been going on with you and > > > your willingness to overlook what just happened with Ravi, and what has > > > been happening with him. You may dislike Curtis, but come on...... Ravi > > > is crossing so many lines here. The only thing I can think of is that > > > you got sucked in to a battle you would normally see through. You can > > > like Ravi all you want, and still call him on things like using "retard," > > > gratuitous insults, and spreading rumors about Curtis. Frankly, you > > > and the other fans of Ravi are all feeding into his drama - and I don't > > > see that as a kindness to him. And more important, of course, it is > > > really lying about someone else's reputation, something I know you would > > > not stand for if Curtis were not the victim.. > > > > > > > > Your double standards goes so much deeper than I imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a simple > > > > > > social formula that has shielded some posters from a more > > > > > > unanimous group, WTF? In this particular context I think > > > > > > there is a callus > > > > > > > > > > (callous, adj.; callus, noun) (This correction is provided > > > > > so Curtis can make a show of thanking me for it while > > > > > pointedly ignoring the rest of what I said.) > > > > > > > > As always I appreciate these corrections that my robots failed me on. > > > > The last time it was the only thing worth commenting on in your post > > > > and it caused such a fuss. The exact one I was trying to avoid by not > > > > responding to your taunts in that post. > > > > > > > > And unlike Ravi (that is a long A right?) I have a serious commitment > > > > to the integrity of my point of view on the movement following my > > > > participation in it. Unlike you ,whose strongest connection with the > > > > movement is your years of Internet arguments about it, I have a deep > > > > history working in the organization and those are the experiences I > > > > bring to bear as my creditability when I raise my new POV. So although > > > > anyone here may know from where Ravi is pulling this lie (hint, lack of > > > > sun) I don't want to hear this on the next MUM student Youtube from > > > > Bobby Roth. > > > > > > > > So it matters, and you know it matters to me, but you have chosen your > > > > battles. OK, that's how it rolls here. > > > > > > > > But please don't expect me to view your support for his behavior to be > > > > anything less than direct hypocrisy in the exact area you and others > > > > give me the most shit about. So we can now put to rest any version of > > > > your routine about me calling Barry out, right? You are a fraud and a > > > > poseur of virtue, contrived by malevolent convenience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disregard for the welfare of this person being played as a > > > > > > pawn. There is something unseemly going on in this dynamic, > > > > > > and I appreciate your speaking up. > > > > > > > > > > "Do you really not understand that Ravi has actual problems > > > > > that shouldn't be speculated about on the Internet like he > > > > > is our private intellectual toy?"--Curtis to Robin, awhile > > > > > back > > > > > > > > I haven't even begun to speculate on Ravi's situation in detail Judy, > > > > I've been pulling all my punches as you well know. But the situation I > > > > am dealing with is of such an obvious nature, nothing needs to be said > > > > between me and anyone without your personal agenda. > > > > > > > > But I have no reason to pull my punches with you so here goes. > > > > > > > > Ravi's lie about why I left the movement was reframed as a "tweek" by > > > > you because you wouldn't mind if such an outspoken critic of all things > > > > Maharishi was plagued by an internet rumor as having been expelled > > > > against his will for immoral conduct. You let it slide in a > > > > demonstration of Carl Rovian tactics against people you disagree with. > > > > > > > > So now we both have felt these shoes on both feet haven't we Judy. > > > > Perhaps now you can understand what I mean when I say I pick my battles > > > > here. And you can drop the pretense that you are acting differently > > > > here, running around correcting people for what are obvious, hurtful > > > > lies in the context of obnoxious mean-spirited trolling. > > > > > > > > I don't care if you correct his behavior or not, or why you don't. I > > > > don't need you to help him make a fool of himself here. But I would > > > > appreciate your understanding where I am coming from a little better > > > > and not giving me shit for doing exactly what you are doing here, > > > > letting people fight their own battles, and dropping in when you feel > > > > like something interests you or you want to give someone a "tweek". > > > > > > > > Just stop being such a F'ing hypocrite about it. > > > > > > > > Si capisce? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been fascinated by how far people can stretch their oft > > > > > > quoted principles to encourage the enemy of their enemy. It is > > > > > > revealing many trollish agendas here. But with kind words from > > > > > > some posters here, like yourself, I feel as if there is another > > > > > > option for those who value it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" <reavismarek@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not my habit, at least for the last year or so, to interject > > > > > > > my opinion into an ongoing thread, but following FFL for the last > > > > > > > month or two, it's amazed me to observe the willingness of some > > > > > > > folks here to glorify and encourage what, in my opinion and > > > > > > > experience, appears to be some very untethered behavior by some > > > > > > > of the more recent and prolific posters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even more inexplicably, to gang up on Curtis, for attempting, > > > > > > > in a straightforward yet still compassionate way, to engage in a > > > > > > > reasonable exchange with, and criticism of, those individuals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, in my estimation Curtis is a true, shining > > > > > > > example of what I'd always hoped the TM movement to produce. > > > > > > > There's certainly no one on this board from whom I've learned > > > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curtis certainly doesn't need any endorsement from me, but I felt > > > > > > > compelled to write, regardless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
