--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" <futur.musik@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Susan, I just responded to Steve regarding Ravi's behavior. And I will
> agree to disagree, I like all of the different voices on here now, and its
> gotten whats-his-face to pretty much just review movies, which is awesome!
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Susan, One thing I like to watch on FFL is context. I don't know if
> > > you remember even a year ago or less, when one or two of the folks here
> > > would write daily screeds against whole groups of people, a low level
> > > toxicity on a daily basis - more politically correct certainly, but not
> > > dissimilar to having a racist continually rant against black people.
> > >
> > > It became the norm. Most of us just laughed it off. Sometimes the attacks
> > > got very nasty, and were always distorted, but almost no one noticed.
> > > This became daily life on FFL. We were used to it.
> > >
> > > Then several months ago, a new group of posters showed up and, lo and
> > > behold, they are fiercely challenging what has become the status quo
> > > here. Just by showing up they have created an environment closer to what
> > > was intended when FFL started; the will to discover, vs. believe.
> > >
> > > I for one find it refreshing that it is once again possible to talk about
> > > anything at all on here, without having long winded tracts of BS stinking
> > > up the place on a daily basis. I don't agree with everything that is said
> > > here, but at least now there is variety and vitality.
> > >
> > > As for anything said about Curtis, he isn't shy about his opinions and
> > > can take care of himself I am sure. Please correct me on that if I am
> > > wrong Curtis, though I will cringe if you do...
> >
> > Cringe not. Curtis has an intellect that can write up a storm and defend
> > himself. He already has. I could not match him, or Judy or many others
> > here. But specific to this last exchange, you all know that Ravi knows
> > nothing of events that occurred when most of us were actually teaching TM
> > and disciples of Maharishi, way back in the 70's and early 80's. That is
> > when Curtis was around, and that is when I was around. So why would any of
> > you fans of Ravi buy into that wild lie about why Curtis left the movement
> > and promote it and defend Ravi? I don't get it.
> >
> > I know that you feel strongly about not liking Barry's "rants" and
> > classifying you all as TB's etc, I get that. That has been going on for
> > years and is really between Judy and Barry, with a few others included. I
> > usually ignore a lot from them both. Nevertheless, I like many of Barry's
> > ideas and so do others, including Curtis. But does that justify this
> > turning on Curtis or anyone else when you know it is an out and out lie?
> > It does not.
> >
> > And I disagree with you - I see no improvement in FFL lately. None at
> > all. I see a bunch of people, you included, that seemed once to have some
> > heart and some sense even if I did not always agree with you, and even if I
> > often enjoy Barry and Curtis. I see you all getting swept up in Ravi's
> > whirlwind, or Robin's, using it to pull yourselves into a tighter group and
> > giving you something to agree about, to rally around. As I said a few days
> > ago, it feels like a feeding frenzy, a pack of wild dogs or pirana. And
> > someone is getting hurt here.
> >
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote:
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> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
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> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
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> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wow, nothing like hearing an excellent reputation that my ass
> > > > > > > now has to try to live up to! Thanks Marek!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Untethered" is such an excellent word. I think the egging on
> > > > > > > has to do with the fact that some of the new posters figured
> > > > > > > out the social system. If you throw mud at Barry and Vaj and
> > > > > > > myself, certain people will have your back.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Says Curtis, parroting one of Barry's more ridiculous
> > > > > > excuses, a variant of the one he borrowed yesterday.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with that reason.
> > > > > Then you genuinely support Ravi lying about why I left the movement
> > > > > on a public forum, his constant use of a slur against people with
> > > > > mental disabilities, and and trollish offensive language toward me.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Judy, you know that I like reading you and respect your honesty and
> > > > common sense. I can't figure out what has been going on with you and
> > > > your willingness to overlook what just happened with Ravi, and what has
> > > > been happening with him. You may dislike Curtis, but come on......
> > > > Ravi is crossing so many lines here. The only thing I can think of is
> > > > that you got sucked in to a battle you would normally see through. You
> > > > can like Ravi all you want, and still call him on things like using
> > > > "retard," gratuitous insults, and spreading rumors about Curtis.
> > > > Frankly, you and the other fans of Ravi are all feeding into his drama
> > > > - and I don't see that as a kindness to him. And more important, of
> > > > course, it is really lying about someone else's reputation, something I
> > > > know you would not stand for if Curtis were not the victim..
> > > > >
> > > > > Your double standards goes so much deeper than I imagined.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was a simple
> > > > > > > social formula that has shielded some posters from a more
> > > > > > > unanimous group, WTF? In this particular context I think
> > > > > > > there is a callus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (callous, adj.; callus, noun) (This correction is provided
> > > > > > so Curtis can make a show of thanking me for it while
> > > > > > pointedly ignoring the rest of what I said.)
> > > > >
> > > > > As always I appreciate these corrections that my robots failed me on.
> > > > > The last time it was the only thing worth commenting on in your post
> > > > > and it caused such a fuss. The exact one I was trying to avoid by
> > > > > not responding to your taunts in that post.
> > > > >
> > > > > And unlike Ravi (that is a long A right?) I have a serious commitment
> > > > > to the integrity of my point of view on the movement following my
> > > > > participation in it. Unlike you ,whose strongest connection with the
> > > > > movement is your years of Internet arguments about it, I have a deep
> > > > > history working in the organization and those are the experiences I
> > > > > bring to bear as my creditability when I raise my new POV. So
> > > > > although anyone here may know from where Ravi is pulling this lie
> > > > > (hint, lack of sun) I don't want to hear this on the next MUM student
> > > > > Youtube from Bobby Roth.
> > > > >
> > > > > So it matters, and you know it matters to me, but you have chosen
> > > > > your battles. OK, that's how it rolls here.
> > > > >
> > > > > But please don't expect me to view your support for his behavior to
> > > > > be anything less than direct hypocrisy in the exact area you and
> > > > > others give me the most shit about. So we can now put to rest any
> > > > > version of your routine about me calling Barry out, right? You are a
> > > > > fraud and a poseur of virtue, contrived by malevolent convenience.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > disregard for the welfare of this person being played as a
> > > > > > > pawn. There is something unseemly going on in this dynamic,
> > > > > > > and I appreciate your speaking up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Do you really not understand that Ravi has actual problems
> > > > > > that shouldn't be speculated about on the Internet like he
> > > > > > is our private intellectual toy?"--Curtis to Robin, awhile
> > > > > > back
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't even begun to speculate on Ravi's situation in detail Judy,
> > > > > I've been pulling all my punches as you well know. But the situation
> > > > > I am dealing with is of such an obvious nature, nothing needs to be
> > > > > said between me and anyone without your personal agenda.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I have no reason to pull my punches with you so here goes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ravi's lie about why I left the movement was reframed as a "tweek" by
> > > > > you because you wouldn't mind if such an outspoken critic of all
> > > > > things Maharishi was plagued by an internet rumor as having been
> > > > > expelled against his will for immoral conduct. You let it slide in a
> > > > > demonstration of Carl Rovian tactics against people you disagree
> > > > > with.
> > > > >
> > > > > So now we both have felt these shoes on both feet haven't we Judy.
> > > > > Perhaps now you can understand what I mean when I say I pick my
> > > > > battles here. And you can drop the pretense that you are acting
> > > > > differently here, running around correcting people for what are
> > > > > obvious, hurtful lies in the context of obnoxious mean-spirited
> > > > > trolling.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't care if you correct his behavior or not, or why you don't. I
> > > > > don't need you to help him make a fool of himself here. But I would
> > > > > appreciate your understanding where I am coming from a little better
> > > > > and not giving me shit for doing exactly what you are doing here,
> > > > > letting people fight their own battles, and dropping in when you feel
> > > > > like something interests you or you want to give someone a "tweek".
> > > > >
> > > > > Just stop being such a F'ing hypocrite about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Si capisce?
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> > > > > > > I have been fascinated by how far people can stretch their oft
> > > > > > > quoted principles to encourage the enemy of their enemy. It is
> > > > > > > revealing many trollish agendas here. But with kind words from
> > > > > > > some posters here, like yourself, I feel as if there is another
> > > > > > > option for those who value it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks man.
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> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis"
> > > > > > > <reavismarek@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's not my habit, at least for the last year or so, to
> > > > > > > > interject my opinion into an ongoing thread, but following FFL
> > > > > > > > for the last month or two, it's amazed me to observe the
> > > > > > > > willingness of some folks here to glorify and encourage what,
> > > > > > > > in my opinion and experience, appears to be some very
> > > > > > > > untethered behavior by some of the more recent and prolific
> > > > > > > > posters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And even more inexplicably, to gang up on Curtis, for
> > > > > > > > attempting, in a straightforward yet still compassionate way,
> > > > > > > > to engage in a reasonable exchange with, and criticism of,
> > > > > > > > those individuals.
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> > > > > > > > For what it's worth, in my estimation Curtis is a true, shining
> > > > > > > > example of what I'd always hoped the TM movement to produce.
> > > > > > > > There's certainly no one on this board from whom I've learned
> > > > > > > > more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Curtis certainly doesn't need any endorsement from me, but I
> > > > > > > > felt compelled to write, regardless.
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