Ditto. I enjoyed your reply, Barry. I don't think you could read it, and not feel empathy for your situation. And that is not meant to be a put down of Judy.
I think it's been a good week of posting, though I've been mostly on the sidelines. Getting back to Robin. The one thing I take issue with, is that he always presented himself as a "stand up" guy. He seemed to really emphasize that point. I didn't see it. He would sometimes make cutting statements, and then when asked to back them up, he would go silent. You Ann, have stated that he probably said everything that needed to be said. To me, it's curious that that happened to coincide with your arrival here. Let me say also Ann, that I don't quite follow your observation that Judy can run circles, intellectually around anyone here. To me, after about the second or third round of dissecting an issue about who is being disengenuous, or raising a straw man, I have a hard time following her logic. The only thing I know for sure is that she is somehow going to "come out on top". Yes, she has on several occassions found flaws in conclusions that I have reached, and I have for the most part, been happy to acknowledge those flaws. That is her strength. But I just don't have the appetite or perhaps the intellecual stamina to ride issues that hard. I observe that Curtis seems capable of doing this. But in Judy's mind, at least, he is like Hamilton Burger in "Perry Mason". Poor Hamilton never won a case! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Ai yi yi Barry. You know you really conveyed your frustration in your response and I actually feel empathy for you, truly. You sound like someone at your wit's end and I can really sense your frustration. It is like you have been in a really bad, abusive relationship for 17 YEARS!! You must really enjoy FFL because anyone else would have posted out by now just to get away from Judy but you don't want to go and neither, apparently does she. > > I can't say that I would describe her effect on you has been to "demonize" you. That is a very strong word. I know what it is like to be demonized, literally, and whatever you think she is doing is not that. I am pretty sure no one else thinks you are downright, stinking bad and evil either so don't worry about her supposed influence. You can get crazy over what you think of as her repetitive battering of your viewpoints, your logic and your personality. Unfortunately, your ranting, and you are within you rights to rant as much as you like, isn't going to stop anything or convince anyone of anything other than your utter frustration. But if it makes you feel better this is the place to let it all hang out. > > I am not sure there is a solution here because, like a dysfunctional family, you are all so used to each other, to the patterns of behavior that in some strange way you all enable each other. Not sure how you can stop that either since both of you are fighters and no one wants to leave. > > Well, just wanted to acknowledge I feel your pain. I hope there were no broken coffee cups yesterday, but probably not as you let fly with the keyboard. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Whew, I missed this post yesterday morning. Barry, you > > > must have gotten out of bed yesterday having laid there > > > for hours composing this in your head. > > > > No, it was spontaneous, over coffee, just the result > > of watching another week of what has been going on > > for seventeen years. > > > > > Talk about coming out of the gate like a racehorse. > > > This has practically taken my breath away. > > > > > > Now this is the first really mean post I have seen and, > > > yes I am the newbie so I'm sure this "ain't nothin'", > > > but I think it's something. There is obviously lots of > > > history and animosity here for Judy on your part > > > because it just exploded all over my screen. > > > > Ann, it's just that I was hoping (naively) that now > > that Judy's minions (and they *were* minions) have > > bit the dust, she might give the "Gotta get Barry/ > > Curtis/Vaj" thing a break, even for a week or two. > > Silly me. > > > > Any animosity on my part is the result of having > > spent SEVENTEEN YEARS knowing that almost every > > day of those years I could look forward to one or > > more posts from Judy dissing or actively demonizing > > one of these three people. Yes, if you're a newbie > > here, and used to dealing with sane people, this > > sounds like a crazy claim. But we're talking about > > Judy, and she's bat shit crazy. It really HAS been > > going on (in my case) for seventeen years. In Vaj's > > and Curtis', slightly less, but also for YEARS. > > We're fuckin' tired of it. > > > > > Now far be it for me to "fight other people's fights > > > here", I gather that is just not done, everyone is a > > > grown up and more than capable of looking after > > > themselves. But Barry, can I object to some of the > > > imagery here, uh let's see, which is the most odious, > > > oh yea, let's start with, "She's just a parrot, > > > echoing other people's thoughts, a mere skidmark > > > on the underwear of spirituality." > > > > That's how I see her importance in the history of > > spiritual thought. I kinda liked the image. Too bad > > if you did't like it. > > > > > So now we are on to the scatological references, you > > > can usually count on something like this to come out > > > of the mouth of a 12 year old but having seen your > > > picture I know you have to be older than that possibly > > > even a grandfather based on the fact you are cradling > > > a small and beautiful infant in one of them? Come on > > > Barry. > > > > It was written for effect. Obviously, it worked. It > > is also my honest opinion of her intellectual worth. > > > > > Now this post is probably partly meant for me, being > > > the innocent on the block, but the tone and manner of > > > the posting is enough to warn me off of YOU, not her. > > > > Fine. I was just telling you what to expect. WAIT AND > > SEE. If it doesn't happen, I was wrong. If you're still > > around, get back to me a year from now and tell me then > > that I was wrong. Try noticing every time Judy finds the > > need to demonize one of the three of us for even the > > next *month* and see if she might just be a tad obsessed > > by the need to do so. I'm not telling you what to believe, > > merely suggesting to you some trends you might just telling > > you might look for. > > > > > I can only chalk it up to years of frustration and anger > > > you have felt as a result of her dialogues with you. > > > > You would be correct in this assumption. > > > > > You have had more than enough. So why are you still > > > talking to her, talking ABOUT her?? > > > > Because she's still actively trying to suck others into > > her obsession, and often succeeding. The last generation > > of her dedicated minions have now bit the dust, and she's > > obviously ramping up to recruit a new generation of them. > > If I'm wrong, what I say will prove itself false over the > > next few weeks and months. If I'm right, that also will > > prove itself true. If you're truly objective, WAIT > > AND SEE. Don't judge merely based on "This can't be > > true...it sounds crazy." It IS crazy. This is Judy > > we're talking about. Vaj is far from the only person > > here to suggest that she's pretty much textbook Border- > > line Personality Disordered. > > > > Here's an experiment for you. I'll stop talking about her, > > for at least the next week. And I'll try my best not to > > "attack" others here, as she claims I do and as she uses > > as an excuse to keep attacking me. If she continues to > > attack me, and the others on her Enemies List, then a > > case can be made for me being right. If that doesn't > > happen, I was wrong. I have left all of the power in > > this situation up to her. And I have left the ability > > to judge it up to people like you. Try to do so. But > > don't be naive enough to try to judge based on three > > weeks' experience. > > > > Get back to me in three months and tell me what you > > think then. Deal? > > >
