[FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote:
>
> dear Raunchy, thank you but new week or old week? 
>

Truisms are timeless.


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>  From: raunchydog <raunchydog@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:02 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
>  
> 
>   
> Share's quote of the week: "...we are likely to see validation of what we 
> already believe.  I guess in that sense we're all TBs."
> 
> Love it. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> >
> > Salya wrote:  I've certainly not seen anything to contradict it.  
> > Share replies:  Reminds me of this
> > Seeing is believing? no
> > Believing is seeing? yes
> > Meaning that we are likely to see validation of what we already 
> > believe.  I guess in that sense we're all TBs 
> > 
> > Maybe when people take on enlightenment as a goal, that in and of itself 
> > puts pressure on the person to be a certain way.  If unable to live up 
> > to such ideals, it could cause irritability, etc.  As I get older I've 
> > found it best to take such goals lightly.  Just do my best.  Leave 
> > the rest up to Life. 
> > 
> > 
> > As for the list, it seems to contradict itself viz a viz loss of interest 
> > in judging others.  
> > 
> > Thank you for this.  I enjoyed reading and replying.
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@>
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:34 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So Xeno writes the other day to Judy:
> > > 
> > > "I feel Barry is more spiritually advanced than Robin"
> > > 
> > > This alone made my head spin. But just, for example, take a look at 
> > > Robin's commentary to Emily after she took his quiz yesterday (post 
> > > 317866) and explain to me how you could possibly argue for this point 
> > > Xeno. What exactly is your definition of spiritual? Maybe it is something 
> > > I don't want to aspire to or can view as a positive thing if that is your 
> > > assessment. If spirituality has anything whatsoever to the quality of 
> > > heart, openness, willingness to understand, desire to be transformed by 
> > > truth and life, sensitivity to other living creatures then, dear Xeno, I 
> > > think you have miscalculated badly  - your assertion has missed the mark.
> > >
> > 
> > I guess it boils down to that most curious trait that makes people
> > in the TMO (and perhaps other groups) ascribe enlightenment to
> > people simply because they like them. I used to get it a lot, maybe
> > becuase I'm of a generally sunny disposition and , they claimed, rather 
> > dynamic. I was puzzled as I know what lies inside, the sorts 
> > of lines on stone that everyone seems to have, whether they've been
> > meditating their whole lives or not. I suspect it's all a matter
> > of relativity, I was yet to be institutionalised and learn what to
> > say and talk about like the rather more brainwashed of the long
> > term staff. 
> > 
> > The clincher came when a friend sent me a list of signs of
> > spiritual awakening. You know the sort of thing, they get
> > posted around facebook infinitely and contains stuff like:
> > 
> > An increased tendency to let things happen rather than
> > make them happen.
> > 
> > Frequent attacks of smiling.
> > 
> > A tendency to think and act spontaneously rather than
> > from fears based on past experience.
> > 
> > A loss of ability to worry.
> > 
> > A loss of interest in judging others.
> > 
> > Gaining the ability to love without expecting anything.
> > 
> > Feelins of being connected with others and nature.
> > 
> > All very laudable I'm sure you'll agree, trouble for me
> > was the person who sent it is one of the most pent up, frustrated,
> > angry, aggressive, comtrolling people I have ever met. And yet
> > will go on endlessly about spiritual matters and enlightenment
> > without every displaying the sort of self awareness that I would
> > have said is one of the first steps in self improvement. 
> > 
> > Is everyone kidding themselves do you think? How many were 
> > totally honest when they did Robin's quiz? If my superficially charming 
> > friend did it I'm sure they would get top marks, but 
> > anyone who gets really close knows otherwise. But then in the 
> > TMO I'd often heard it said that you can't tell if someone is enlightened 
> > by the way they act. Sounds like a feeble get out 
> > clause to me.
> > 
> > I've had periods of obvious unity (and all the others) but
> > it didn't last and many years later I wonder what the fuss was
> > all about, it isn't like you get any actual knowledge no matter
> > what people tell you. I suspect it's all a type of controlled
> > psychotic break, rare and self inflicted, but an adjustment of
> > normal perception and not anything connected with any deeper,
> > "cosmic" agency. No new wisdom to be had, no support of nature
> > (whatever that might actually mean).
> > 
> > I can justify that I think. I've certainly not seen anything 
> > to contradict it.
> >
>