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From: Robin Carlsen <maskedze...@yahoo.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 8:48 PM
Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
<anartaxius@...> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote:
> >
> > Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and
> > Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at
> > least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the
> > posts in question, although he's still in some
> > confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things
> > right as long as the details he presents conform to
> > the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to
> > check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> > > <anartaxius@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897.
> > > > > She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was
> > > > > responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time
> > > > > Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim.
> > >
> > > Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly
> > > thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact,
> > > physically strike his students, although he
> > > still claimed it was a gentle push.
> >
> > Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck
> > his students in her first post. All she said--addressing
> > the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment
> > at the end--was that she had found her experience with
> > Robin's group very valuable.
> >
> > What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in
> > the early days of his group, well before he ever started
> > giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal
> > gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of
> > his followers in the course of confrontations. He
> > described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master
> > would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this
> > post:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421
> >
> > Robin never said anything about a "gentle push." Barry
> > made that up.
> >
> > Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and
> > Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which
> > they continue to do).
> >
> > > He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never
> > > been present at any of his talks, and thus was
> > > (wait for it...you've never heard this before)
> > > a LIAR.
> >
> > No, Robin didn't "switch to claiming" this. He'd
> > disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group
> > from the beginning.
> >
> > > Which has again subsequently been disproved,
> >
> > No, it has not been "disproved." A counterclaim has
> > been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin
> > great ill will--but no proof has been offered.
> >
> > And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things
> > when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember
> > him either.
> >
> > by
> > > someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present,
> > > but that one of the people Robin struck said that "he
> > > thought his jaw might have been broken by the force
> > > of the blow."
> >
> > Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the
> > incident in question in post #302425. As far as she
> > knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping
> > all the seminars--this was the only such incident.
> >
> > Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had
> > made the post described above, not yet having read
> > Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings
> > Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group
> > until Robin was holding forth at MIU.)
> >
> > Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having
> > encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious
> > fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to
> > give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself
> > 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame.
> >
> > > > I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection
> > > > of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have
> > > > read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was
> > > > apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at
> > > > Robin's instigation,
> >
> > A number of people who did not wish Robin well were
> > indulging in that speculation.
> >
> > > > which Ann denied, but Ann certainly
> > > > seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now
> > > > posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather
> > > > imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does
> > > > say she had no agenda.
> >
> > No, there's no "but" here, no "seemed," and no "however."
> >
> > Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result
> > of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook,
> > having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years.
> > This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us.
> >
> > Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the
> > guts to do it straight out, to her face. Stop with the
> > little hints and insinuations and attempts to muddy
> > what Ann has said.
>
> I had other things on my mind, I had no thought that Ann was lying, it never
> crossed my mind. I still do not think Vaj made a case that he was with Robin
> at any time. I was not thinking of this exchange about Vaj's presence or
> absence, only that there was an obvious connexion between Ann and Robin, and
> *that* past history was a motivation for her to come online here. I think you
> cleared up that issue pretty well.
>
> Back off, you are reading too much into my intent, which is far less than you
> seem to imply. I have no ill thoughts toward Ann at all. I have no negative
> impressions of her. I have not read enough of her posts to have an informed
> opinion of her, and you pretty well made that evident. Your mind seems
> programmed to make out hints where none exist. On the plus side, your finding
> errors in my recollection and fixing them does not bother me. You have been
> battling with Barry for almost two decades, and you need to get out of this
> witch hunt habit of calling everyone who makes factual errors a liar, or even
> with those who disagree with you also. It makes your credibility suspicious
> when it goes overboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdD-dPIJRtE
Xeno Elmo wrote: these subtleties of intention expressed in language escape
me. Guys tend to be kind of unvarnished in this respect.
Share Zoe replied: Gals tend to be kind of varnished?! Opposites!
http://tinyurl.com/96zzsll
> If you still have a gripe you can take it up with my lawyers at Sucme & Dye
> LLP
>
> > > It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's
> > > credibility as someone who was actually there has
> > > been verified by someone else who was there, Ann
> > > has been in touch via email with many other people
> > > from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj
> > > might have known in the past, revealing how to get
> > > in touch with him. They have now been hounding him
> > > trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them.
> > > As Vaj commented to me, "Thanks, Ann...not."
> >
> > And this, we now find out from Ann, is a lie--whether
> > Vaj's or Barry's, we can't be sure.
> >
> > The bottom line is that the few people here who have
> > a beef against Robin, for whatever reason, are not to
> > be trusted, whether because they have no compunctions
> > about lying or because they have trouble keeping
> > things straight in their minds.
> >
>
