"The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history."
this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > Now now! You don't wanna be accused of anger and resentment > > like me! > > > > You make good points - not being a teacher I had never heard > > of ATR credits being canceled but it doesn't surprise me, it > > is consistent with TM Movement behavior (oooh I'm bein' > > negative again!) > > > > I guess I was out of the TM loop for a long time as I was > > also unaware that local meditators had ever raised money to > > actually purchase a center which the Movement then had the > > teachers to sell. Never heard of that one, doesn't surprise > > me either. > > What is surprising is the reaction of those who have > known of these things for many years -- or decades -- > and found some way to EXCUSE them, or ignore them, or > write them off as having no relationship to the overall > message of TM and what it was all about. > > YOUR reaction is understandable -- delayed outrage. > > THEIRS is considerably less so. > > What IS it about some people that causes them to identify > more with the organization that sold them their beliefs > and protecting its "rep" at all costs than they do with > determining the relative right and wrong of the actions > that this organization performed *in their names*? > > I can't join you in your outrage because to be honest I > am too far away from any identification with its source > to give much of a shit. The TMO is in my opinion no more > corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual > organization or religion or cult in human history. They > ALL did weird shit in the pursuance of what they believed > to be Truth. They ALWAYS will. > > The only issue from my point of view is whether one is > willing to climb on the bus and go with them as they act > out the excuse-making and the rationalizations for behaviors > that almost anyone would consider unethical, or whether one > steps off the bus. > > Once you step off the bus, you really don't have as much > allegiance to it as those who chose to ride it for *decades*, > never once questioning where it was headed, or whether the > driver was...uh...somewhat impaired behind the wheel. That's > the position I find myself in with regard to TM and the TMO. > > For others, who hung in there longer, trying their best to > find any way they could to "continue believing," because to > them that had been held up as the highest and noblest of > all human endeavors, hearing things that upset their roman- > ticized views of the bus they're on can be upsetting. > > As for Edg's first line below, I can only supply a similar > sentiment from Voltaire: "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, > but certainty is absurd." :-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Certainty is the drug addiction of the ego. > > > > > > But but but, though I personally cannot bear witness to any big crimes of > > > the TMO, I can bear witness to having been told many many many stories > > > about the movement's chicanery -- told by those who were in a position to > > > know. Too many stories --at least some of them are/were true. > > > > > > Of course, let's point at the elephant under the rug: almost all the > > > money the movement has collected has been disappeared into India -- > > > Girish et alia. > > > > > > Talk about your crimes! > > > > > > Then there's the thousands of ATR credits that were simply taken away > > > with ZERO fucks given by the movement leaders. > > > > > > How about the movement saying, "Oh by the way, your center, the one that > > > all your meditators locally raised the money to buy? SELL IT AND SEND > > > THE MONEY TO US." > > > > > > And then there's the personalities of the Rajas -- avatars of criminality > > > right there -- I mean, who else but a bastard would say to their self: > > > "Hey, I think I'll just buy a hunk of the world and rule it as an > > > overlord!" > > > > > > Then there's the Course Office people -- the meanest fucks I ever met, > > > and they could do crime all day and night for their guru. > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know very little, but I am certain that many crimes have been > > > > > committed by the TMO. > > > > > > > > LOL!! If you know very little, how can you be certain of anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a complete spectrum of silly to evil. > > > > > > > > > > On one end is: On my teacher training, some guy had a car accident > > > > > and they sneaked him out of Spain before the cops could get him. > > > > > There were many tales of cash being illegally moved to other > > > > > countries. > > > > > > > > > > On the other end: Maharishi is said to told someone to drive fast > > > > > and not care about the speed limits. Maharishi gave everyone salt > > > > > and peanuts on the courses even though it was "wrong." > > > > > > > > > > Think about the mind-set of the MUM officials when that guy stabbed > > > > > the other guy. THAT'S HOW IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- cover the movement's > > > > > ass and save face AT ANY COST. > > > > > > > > > > They all just did what they wanted to do and figured out "words for > > > > > it" later. No morality. No righteousness. Just self-serving > > > > > movement besmirching decisions is all. > > > > > > > > > > It is all made-up on the spot. I'll bet Maharishi decided on the > > > > > first set of mantras in about 10 minutes flat. > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is NO lying cheating or stealing by the people in the > > > > > > movement you are slandering so carelessly, where is your proof? > > > > > > Likewise you defame Maharishi with absolutely no proof of any of > > > > > > the kind of wrongdoing that you parrot from others. The fault is in > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea that everyone does it so don't fuss with particular > > > > > > > people who do it is the same kind of bullshit mentality that has > > > > > > > led to the utterly corrupt practices on Wall Street that has led > > > > > > > to a world wide economic crisis - where is your proof of Gandhi > > > > > > > clan corruption other than what you have heard and read? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read this comment by an English person commenting on the Mayan > > > > > > > flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are passing on > > > > > > > information and judgement about the Gandhis - I don't give damn > > > > > > > who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't make it alright for > > > > > > > Maharishi and his family to do it too, especially when they have > > > > > > > been taking money under false pretenses for decades and then > > > > > > > can't even bring themselves to handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show a > > > > > > > low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of mentality > > > > > > > that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling others in > > > > > > > India for doing the same thing reminds me of the character of the > > > > > > > Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > > > > > > > Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for > > > > > > > nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry > > > > > > > because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does not > > > > > > > deserve that title) has the ring of truth AND when you put all > > > > > > > the stories together with public statements and actions (like the > > > > > > > scorpion nation episode) you see a consistent picture of an > > > > > > > egotistical, childishly egotistical, horny, greedy con artist who > > > > > > > created a movement dedicated not to the enlightenment of the > > > > > > > world nor the betterment of the individual but to making himself > > > > > > > an icon and living a high and luxurious life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are flat out incorrect when you call these things "baseless > > > > > > > innuendo". Like I said, back up your words - show us the public > > > > > > > information showing that Maharishi was an honest custodian of the > > > > > > > funds he received for 57 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All governments are corrupt - which means the people who run them > > > > > > > are corrupt and that is no excuse for personal or institutional > > > > > > > corruption and dishonesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" <srijau@> > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:03 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin > > > > > > > Folks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > when you are dealing with an utterly corrupt government like > > > > > > > India's has been for some time then it should come as no surprise > > > > > > > that one has to resort to things like smuggling gold into the > > > > > > > country. The Gandhi clan is the one that has been single mindedly > > > > > > > engaged in self-enrichment and the level of manipulation of all > > > > > > > facets of government to their ends and against anyone they > > > > > > > imagine to not support those ends is not something that I think > > > > > > > you understand. If you were an Indian you would especially given > > > > > > > the recent revelations of the miraculous enrichment of a certain > > > > > > > person who married into that family. Whatever you claim otherwise > > > > > > > is actually based on a lot of baseless innuendo and there is > > > > > > > public information to the contrary but you are the sort of person > > > > > > > who repeats lies so as to give them credibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" <mjackson74@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A comment on the article about the 8,000 flyers in Mexico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I too am a former TM sidha. I gave thousands of pounds to the > > > > > > > > organisation over many years, but had no more to do with it > > > > > > > > after I got close to an Indian working for the organisation at > > > > > > > > a senior level. He confided in me that the top people close to > > > > > > > > Maharishi had asked him to smuggle gold during his trips from > > > > > > > > Europe and USA back to India!! When he refused they pressured > > > > > > > > him and made him break down, threatening he would have no > > > > > > > > future in the organisation if he didn't comply. Thus was back > > > > > > > > in the 90's when Maharishi was still alive. No wonder the > > > > > > > > movement in India is rich!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=366529 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
