Yah. (Carol smiles) What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a long, strange trip it's been..."
Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? **** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. > Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form > themselves such that they are protected from our examination. > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small > christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as > to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They > are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing > them. > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > intimidating, than they first appear. > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the > > past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have > > found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, > > nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous > > issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and > > magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move > > on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a much > > greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and confidence. > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > > :-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <jchwelch@> wrote: > > > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the eff > > > does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a > > > don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something. > > > > > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box > > > (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. > > > > > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express > > > in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their > > > distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as > > > an indication that they have not "moved on." I don't see expression as > > > being stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or > > > someone who is intimately close with that person can really know if that > > > is the case. > > > > > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases > > > "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment use > > > the phrase "move on.") > > > > > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm > > > there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! > > > > > > ********** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate > > > > something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple > > > > with a fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do > > > > so. > > > > > > > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, > > > > sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of > > > > near exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of > > > > all we go through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, > > > > something critical to staying ALIVE, and present. > > > > > > > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is > > > > not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing > > > > defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture > > > > of labels. > > > > > > > > So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most > > > > negative insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego > > > > getting trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving > > > > on. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that > > > > > > I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am > > > > > > gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny > > > > > > Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day > > > > > > to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! > > > > > > > > > > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read > > > > > and appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at > > > > > MIU, within the various phases of your different roles within the > > > > > Movement as a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in > > > > > which you participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to > > > > > say a few months ago when you first started posting about your > > > > > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many > > > > > others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I > > > > > was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no > > > > > hard feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this > > > > > does not stop me from considering all that you have to say about your > > > > > own, very different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect > > > > > and consider all that you have to say as far as I can do that without > > > > > having gone through or seen what you did. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the > > > > > slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around > > > > > MMY and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear > > > > > picture of what you know and how you feel. Your audience has been > > > > > reading what you have to say for weeks now and I am pretty sure we > > > > > could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels about MMY and the > > > > > Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is that some > > > > > are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting > > > > > to sound a little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't > > > > > going anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is > > > > > evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, as a > > > > > sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you are having to > > > > > defend your position a little harder now, that there is not the same > > > > > empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to > > > > > look like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of > > > > > land to an ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your > > > > > 'cause'. > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was > > > > > three months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and > > > > > the barometer it is telling you your audience here is not quite as > > > > > receptive to your message as it once was. This is, of course, only my > > > > > opinion. I respect your need to voice how you feel and admire your > > > > > courage to do just that but I think I have gotten the message now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@" <doctordumbass@> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" > > > > > > the sighted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, > > > > > > are those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they > > > > > > had their heyday - a few decades ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to > > > > > > be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its > > > > > > founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much > > > > > > tripe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second > > > > > > nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate > > > > > > airing doubts about...anything. However, how long does it take to > > > > > > integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why > > > > > > the public fixation on something that no longer has value to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you warning us? (how condescending) > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saving us? (how laughable) > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you opening our eyes? (see above) > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no > > > > > > longer do? > > > > > > > > > > > > Color me Puzzled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
