I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise.
But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is no point? (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel ************ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote: > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the > nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything > continues also. > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally > present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no > limitations. How could there be? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <jchwelch@> wrote: > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a long, > > strange trip it's been..." > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > **** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our > > > examination. > > > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of > > > small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our > > > awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the > > > reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our > > > anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > > > intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of > > > > the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing > > > > I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't > > > > go away. > > > > > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, > > > > nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The > > > > previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and > > > > magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we > > > > move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results > > > > in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and > > > > confidence. > > > > > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <jchwelch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > > > > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the > > > > > eff does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a > > > > > don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool > > > > > box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along > > > > > that path. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or > > > > > express in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life > > > > > experiences from their distant or recent past (as that is all we have > > > > > until the next moment) as an indication that they have not "moved > > > > > on." I don't see expression as being stuck in something. It could > > > > > mean that; but only that person or someone who is intimately close > > > > > with that person can really know if that is the case. > > > > > > > > > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases > > > > > "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment > > > > > use the phrase "move on.") > > > > > > > > > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when > > > > > I'm there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to > > > > > > integrate something you no longer do? Valid question, and something > > > > > > I grapple with a fair amount these days, now that I finally have > > > > > > the time to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of > > > > > > us, sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the > > > > > > point of near exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, > > > > > > becoming aware of all we go through, and how it changes us is a > > > > > > vital part of life, something critical to staying ALIVE, and > > > > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, > > > > > > it is not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. > > > > > > Nothing defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of the > > > > > > old culture of labels. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most > > > > > > negative insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the > > > > > > ego getting trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and > > > > > > moving on. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce > > > > > > > > that I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM > > > > > > > > and I am gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, > > > > > > > > funny Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I > > > > > > > > hope one day to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru > > > > > > > > Dr. Dumbass!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have > > > > > > > read and appreciated much of what you have written of your > > > > > > > experiences at MIU, within the various phases of your different > > > > > > > roles within the Movement as a meditator, member of staff and all > > > > > > > the other ways in which you participated. I especially enjoyed > > > > > > > reading what you had to say a few months ago when you first > > > > > > > started posting about your > > > > > > > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with > > > > > > > many others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. > > > > > > > Although I was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from > > > > > > > MIU I have no hard feelings about my time there or the technique. > > > > > > > However, this does not stop me from considering all that you have > > > > > > > to say about your own, very different, experience. And it does > > > > > > > not mean I don't respect and consider all that you have to say as > > > > > > > far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what you > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of > > > > > > > the slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and > > > > > > > around MMY and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty > > > > > > > clear picture of what you know and how you feel. Your audience > > > > > > > has been reading what you have to say for weeks now and I am > > > > > > > pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ > > > > > > > feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is > > > > > > > happening now is that some are getting tired of reading, of being > > > > > > > exposed to, what is starting to sound a little like a broken > > > > > > > record. What you have to say isn't going anywhere past where it > > > > > > > has been for a while now. It is evidently important to you to use > > > > > > > this forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you > > > > > > > feel. But it seems as if you are having to defend your position a > > > > > > > little harder now, that there is not the same empathy or support > > > > > > > for your position. It seems you are starting to look like a man > > > > > > > standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an > > > > > > > ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it > > > > > > > was three months ago it is just that if you test the wind > > > > > > > direction and the barometer it is telling you your audience here > > > > > > > is not quite as receptive to your message as it once was. This > > > > > > > is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your need to voice how > > > > > > > you feel and admire your courage to do just that but I think I > > > > > > > have gotten the message now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@" <doctordumbass@> > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind > > > > > > > > "leading" the sighted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on > > > > > > > > here, are those with no recent experience of the technique. > > > > > > > > Sure, they had their heyday - a few decades ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those > > > > > > > > to be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, > > > > > > > > its founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so > > > > > > > > much tripe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second > > > > > > > > nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can > > > > > > > > appreciate airing doubts about...anything. However, how long > > > > > > > > does it take to integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE > > > > > > > > into your life? Why the public fixation on something that no > > > > > > > > longer has value to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you warning us? (how condescending) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saving us? (how laughable) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you opening our eyes? (see above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you > > > > > > > > no longer do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Color me Puzzled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
