I agree 100% that TM is definitely not a full meal in terms of spirituality. It's more of a bait-and-hook way of getting us interested in spirituality. I'll have to say, if it weren't for TM, I would've never gone any deeper. I'd probably be a die-hard atheist. But thanks to TM, I diverted from that route. However, as the years have gone by, i've become quite disappointed in how limited knowledge and experience seems to be in the whole TMO. But it served its purpose, and I am thankful for it.
seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote: > > As I indicate in my post TM is a dead end if you want to become a real > master. It's just a teaching for the masses. You'll never learn about > mantra shastra which is important for that. I got what I wanted and > more with one on one instruction from a real master. Serious students > should not waste their time with pop gurus and movements. > > Good luck on your project. I've been in the entertainment industry all > my life in one phase or another. I have some videos on the Captain > Bebops channel on YouTube: > http://www.youtube.com/user/CaptBebops > > They're mainly "sketches" as for YouTube I'm not going to try to polish. > > On 03/11/2013 10:13 AM, sound of stillness wrote: > > > > You say you came to a "dead end" doing TM. What was the dead end that you > > came to? > > > > p.s. My writing experience is in multi-media. The screenplay I'm writing > > may come to an iPad near you. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > >> On 03/10/2013 01:10 PM, sound of stillness wrote: > >>> In Dialogue, a group of people can explore the individual and collective > >>> presuppositions, ideas, beliefs, and feelings that subtly control their > >>> interactions. It provides an opportunity to participate in a process > >>> that displays communication successes and failures. It can reveal the > >>> often puzzling patterns of incoherence that lead the group to avoid > >>> certain issues or, on the other hand, to insist, against all reason, on > >>> standing and defending opinions about particular issues. > >>> > >>> Dialogue is a way of observing, collectively, how hidden values and > >>> intentions can control our behavior, and how unnoticed cultural > >>> differences can clash without our realizing what is occurring. It can > >>> therefore be seen as an arena in which collective learning takes place > >>> and out of which a sense of increased harmony, fellowship and creativity > >>> can arise. > >>> > >>> Because the nature of Dialogue is exploratory, its meaning and its > >>> methods continue to unfold. No firm rules can be laid down for > >>> conducting a Dialogue because its essence is learning - not as the > >>> result of consuming a body of information or doctrine imparted by an > >>> authority, nor as a means of examining or criticizing a particular > >>> theory or programme, but rather as part of an unfolding process of > >>> creative participation between peers. > >>> > >>> Dialogue is concerned with providing a space within which such attention > >>> can be given. It allows a display of thought and meaning that makes > >>> possible a kind of collective proprioception or immediate mirroring back > >>> of both the content of thought and the less apparent, dynamic structures > >>> that govern it. In Dialogue this can be experienced both individually > >>> and collectively. > >>> > >>> Each listener is able to reflect back to each speaker, and to the rest > >>> of the group, a view of some of the assumptions and unspoken > >>> implications of what is being expressed along with that which is being > >>> avoided. It creates the opportunity for each participant to examine the > >>> preconceptions, prejudices and the characteristic patterns that lie > >>> behind his or her thoughts, opinions, beliefs and feelings, along with > >>> the roles he or she tends habitually to play. And it offers an > >>> opportunity to share these insights. > >>> > >>> http://www.david-bohm.net/dialogue/dialogue_proposal.html > >>> > >>> > >>> Meditation Research Conference Hosted by NY Academy of Sciences by > >>> Christine Schrum on February 26, 2013 > >>> > >>> http://www.tm.org/blog/research/meditation-research-conference/ > >>> > >>> Dr. Fred Travis said . . . > >>> > >>> "It was really a bold move to bring together researchers of all > >>> these different types of meditation techniques," said Dr. Travis, > >>> when asked about the event. "But the organizers knew we'd all be > >>> united by one common belief: that scientific research can help us to > >>> better understand the subjective experiences we have during meditation, > >>> and the growth of consciousness." > >>> > >>> During his presentation, Travis shared research showing that different > >>> types of meditation have different short- and long-term benefits. > >>> Referencing his 2010 paper, he delineated three categories of meditation > >>> distinguished by their procedures and associated brain patterns: Focused > >>> Attention, Open Monitoring and Automatic Self-Transcending. > >>> > >>> =============== > >>> > >>> Is there any of the experienced yogis and meditators among us, of one > >>> type of meditation or another, interested in coming up with a working > >>> definition(s) of Enlightenment and how the different types of meditation > >>> from a variety of traditions help us radiate more of the light of > >>> aware-ness along the way. > >>> > >>> One provisional working definition I have cobbled together is . . . > >>> > >>> Enlightenment is being in harmony with our own state of evolution. Each > >>> state of consciousness has its own reality and teaching, both > >>> inseparable and distinct from one another as night is from day. > >>> > >>> Does Maharishi Patanjali's eight limbs of yoga include the different > >>> types of meditation, different types of focal awareness that Dr. Travis > >>> mentioned? > >>> > >>> Does MMY's "program" include Focused Attention and Open Monitoring as > >>> well Automatic Self-Transcending? Does any tradition? > >>> > >>> What forms of Yoga and techniques, would you include if you were > >>> creating a program that included the different types of meditation > >>> and practice? A practice that would be helpful for a beginner or someone > >>> more experienced. > >>> > >>> With tradition as a guide, approaching all things anew . . . > >>> > >>> Michael > >> I learned and taught TM but because I wanted to learn more dropped it > >> since it was a dead end. 13 years ago I was initiated into tantra by a > >> genuine Indian trantric who had moved to the SF Bay Area. He taught me > >> a lot about tantra and I was on the path to be an acharya but that's > >> something more for a young person to do (he started when he was 16). > >> Unfortunately he passed away last year. > >> > >> One thing about other systems and enlightenment it's more about "moksha" > >> and experiencing the development of it rather than defining it. People > >> may experience the path to enlightenment by different routes so > >> comparison can be confusing. It is a bad idea to claim to be > >> enlightened because there is always still some samskaras remaining that > >> will make you different from others. And that difference will confuse > >> people if you claim enlightenment. > >> > >> Also other traditions could give a shit about measuring things. I told > >> my teacher that I was going to measure my meditation by creating my own > >> heart monitor and recording it on my laptop. He told me not to. > >> However I recently purchased an oximeter which tracks pulse realtime as > >> well as oxygen level. I bought it more to see if it might be useful as > >> a cheap way to determine metabolic type. With other traditions it's > >> more about if the program works for you or not. If it doesn't then they > >> understand if one wants to move on. Just as there is no one diet for > >> everyone neither is there any one meditation program for everyone. > >> > >> BTW, off topic I noticed you mentioned you are working on a screenplay. > >> Have you written other ones and had them produced? > >> > > > > >
