--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > A professor at MUM once explained that as one progresses, especially from CC > to GC, what happens can be described as the depth coming up to the surface of > life. So we might not feel deep, even during TM. And we shouldn't TRY to > feel deep.
Deep is only a word. A concept. Deep also is used in deep sleep. I sometimes say, that I am very high up. But you are right. > > In a similar way it seems, with the TMSP, we more and more experience a mix > of silence and liveliness together. So I extrapolate from that that it's > counter productive to try and experience PURE silence. You can't try anyway. One has to remember that all these descriptions are concepts, and unless we let go of the concepts, we can't really get there. Here from the Ribhu Gita: "All is a built-up structure of words and meanings. The apprehension of all worlds does not exist. All holy waters are, indeed, unreal. All temples of gods, too, are unreal." "All being only Consciousness, the name "all" never is. Renouncing all forms, be of the certitude that all is Brahman." "All is Brahman; that is the Truth. The phenomenal world and prakriti (manifestation), verily do not exist. Renounce the remembrance of prakriti and resort to the remembrance of Brahman." "Then, renouncing even that, be firm in your own nature. Renouncing further this "established nature", remain only as the Self." "Renouncing the renunciation even, ever leave off the idea of any difference. Surrounding yourself yourself, abide in yourself yourself." "What the finger points out as "this" is a deceased thought; "this" is only of words and speech." " "All" is supposition. There is no doubt of this. "All" is unreal. There is no uncertainty of this. "All" is insignificant. There is no doubt of this. "All" is delusion. There is no doubt of this." (Rib.G 18, 24-30) > ________________________________ > From: navashok <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:42 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object? > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains > > > > the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple > > > > relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure > > > > Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. > > > > > > > > In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a > > > > shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you > > > > become more experienced. > > > > > > > > In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with > > > > regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you > > > > are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their > > > > practice. > > > > > > Ahem. Isn't another way of interpreting your first two > > > paragraphs that there is no *progress* in TM? *You* > > > are the one interpreting simple relaxation (which never > > > gets deeper or more profound) with "Pure Consciousness." > > > I doubt that scientists would. > > > > No progress in the technique... > > > > It is easy to start and easy to do and that doesn't change. > > > > What DOES change is how closely the state outside of TM comes to resemble > > the state during TM. > > But that's not all that is supposed to change. The quality of experience is > supposed to change as well *during* meditation - as stress is released. Think > of the snowplough analogy - as resistances (stresses) are being removed, the > way gets more clear, and the experience of transcendence will be clearer and > more prolonged. > > And for advanced techniques - you will go into transcendence more slowly, so > that you are more conscious of the process. The diving angle changes, how is > that reflected in your theory? That, being more conscious of the > 'transcending' (I still put it in bracelets as it is really a concept - > transcendence is all pervading and cannot be isolated, especially if you want > to experience it consciously.) > > So this process of being more conscious in the transcending process, whatever > it is, has to be reflected in EEG, for all what it's worth. Initial > transcendence is not clear transcendence, it is just a hazy slipping into it > and out of it. We know it, as teachers, but it's not what you say to people. > > > > As for "not trusing non-TM teachers," I can say that TM > > > teachers don't know diddleysquat except the stuff they > > > were given to memorize and parrot. That's fine, as far > > > as it goes, but it really doesn't go very deep, or have > > > any relevance to the larger field of meditation. They > > > know a little about one tiny technique, and nothing > > > about any of the others. They are actually *prevented* > > > from learning about any of the others, under pain of > > > banishment. > > > > Well, ok bu... > > > > > > > > Just sayin'... If you dispute this, cite things that > > > were taught to you on your TM Teacher Training course. > > > Oh, that's right, you can't. Again, just sayin'... > > > > > > Where have I attempted to dispute anything about what is taught to TM > > teachers? > > > > My impression has always been that TM teachers are technicians who have > > been trained to handle things in a specific situation that has been set up > > via the "7 steps." > > Apart from TM teachers just being 'loud-speakers' who parrot the teachings, > they have the additional advantage that they saw a lot more tapes of > Maharishi during all those courses. There he accidentally let's out sometimes > some of his secrets, or he contradicts himself. With that you get a sort of > different background on many things. And yes, TM teachers usually have a lot > of experience on rounding courses, or later siddhi courses where you meditate > a lot more. That *might* be a difference to some plain vanilla sidhas or > meditators - it doesn't have to be. > > > Go too far outside that narrow field of expertise, and they're really no > > better than anyone else, any more than an x-rray tech is competent to be a > > lorry driver. > > > > > > L > > >
