[FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote:
>
> Salyavin, I still think all this has something to do with WHOLE brain 
> functioning.  I still think either there's no brain that does this and or 
> science doesn't have instruments to measure such.  I postulate that if both 
> of these happened, it would be obvious that consciousness gives rise to 
> matter.  
> Am I totally brain washed?! 
> 
>

Om Dear Share, you are right and that is my experience.  Yes they are not 
measuring the right things declaring alpha global coherence is transcendence.  
It is a lot more than that including the temple of the heart subtle structures. 
 They are not touching this.  TM does not necessarily either of its own 
practice.  As the Batgap panel discussion points to with Hagelin and Rick, 
there is more spiritual work to do in meditation sitting than just transcending 
some in meditation.
By Jove Keep up the good work,
Buck
         
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>  From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:57 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, Feel 
> Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote:
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> > What is consciousness?
> > 
> > Tononi's Integrated Information Theory asserts that the level consciousness 
> > depends on a certain sophistication in the interaction of parts of a 
> > system. People point out that this means that even rocks are conscious, but 
> > Tononi doesn't like that interpretation and tries to make exceptions so 
> > that his theory can't be interpreted that way.
> 
> Why doesn't he just dump the whole stupid thing and be done with it?
> 
> > Even so, the level of interaction at the vacuum state is such that you 
> > can't deny a certain consciousness-like aspect to that particuar system.
> 
> Except that it isn't conscious in any meaningful way.
> 
> > What is fun, is that in the early moments of the universe, the universe was 
> > so small that you could think of it as one single system that interacted 
> > fast enough due to its small size, that the entire thing could be seen as 
> > one system.
> 
> For almost a trillionth of a second, yes. This is the same thing
> Hagelin uses to justify astrology and reading tea leaves. It is BS
> that it means anything of the sort or consciousness or anything
> other than a bunch of hot whirly bits that know nothing about 
> themselves or each other.
> 
> > Interestingly enough, MMY describes the loss of consciousness of the entire 
> > system as the time at which matter and energy manifest, and in fact, at a 
> > certain point in the expansion of the universe, it cooled due to expansion 
> > to the point that what we call normal matter and energy came to be. So the 
> > universe got too big for the entire thing to communicate in a conscious way 
> > somewhere along the same time that matter and energy manifested.
> > 
> > Fascinating. I wonder if he had that description in mind all along when he 
> > worded things that way in his description of Vedic Cosmology.
> > 
> > 
> > L
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Inspired by something Xeno said I ask you Salyavin:  does 
> > > > consciousness emerge from matter or does matter emerge from 
> > > > consciousness?  Or is something else altogether happening?
> > > 
> > > "Does matter emerge from consciousness?" It's a weird mystical
> > > idea that started in the far east and was an early interpretation
> > > of quantum mechanics. I can't see how the statement makes sense,
> > > it seems to contradict everything we know about evolution both
> > > of life and the universe itself. 
> > > 
> > > I don't see how you can keep the second law of thermodynamics if 
> > > everything is from the mind, unless god doesn't care about his creation 
> > > after all. Basically, cosmic consciousness must be falling
> > > apart too just like everything else. Like all quantum mystical 
> > > ideas it complicates things unnecessarily. It helps sell yagyas 
> > > though but I don't like the idea of perpetuating ancient religions with 
> > > the language of science especially when it isn't very good science.
> > > 
> > > I've been reading about free will (or the lack of it) all day,
> > > some interesting experiments can be done to demonstrate that
> > > your brain makes a measurable decision to act up to a second
> > > before you "decide" to do something. Consciousness appears to
> > > be last in a chain of neurophysiological events. Not sure how
> > > that would give it primacy over everything else.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Does consciousness emerge from matter?" That's more like it,
> > > it fits in with observations and doesn't require gods, whether
> > > quantum or biblical. There is even a fabulous structure in our 
> > > heads that can be measured to be displaying consciousness and 
> > > having thoughts. Give me the most obvious explanation every 
> > > time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@>
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:32 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, 
> > > > Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> > > > 
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> > > >   
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> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salyavin wrote:  Once you have enough brain cells you have 
> > > > > consciousness.  Share asks:  I've been reading all of 
> > > > > today's posts, again with mixed success.  Anyway, I'm 
> > > > > guessing that I have the same amount of brain cells right now that I 
> > > > > had during last night when I was dreaming and also when I was 
> > > > > sleeping without dreams.  I was pretty conscious during the 
> > > > > dreams.  I feel very conscious at this moment.  But 
> > > > > I'm pretty sure I was not conscious during the whole night.  
> > > > > So it would seem that even though the number of brain cells remains 
> > > > > constant, consciousness, as an experience, does not.  
> > > > >     
> > > > 
> > > > I meant that you need a certain amount to generate consciousness
> > > > anyway. They stay amount stays the same overnight. But the fact 
> > > > that it gets switched off at night is another interesting 
> > > > evolutionary adaptation. Must take up a lot of energy generating 
> > > > all that bright inner awareness. The brain needs a bit of down time
> > > > to assimilate the days events and reset itself or we go mad. Really.
> > > > And then there's keeping us out of trouble in the dark where our
> > > > primary sense isn't any use. Amazing thing really.
> > > > 
> > > > I got knocked out and lost my memory once, that was interesting.
> > > > I'll do a post about it tomorrow as it had a lot of fascinating
> > > > features for a philosophical chap like me.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > PS  I realize I'm taking little baby steps.  It's the 
> > > > > best I can do with this topic.  Thanks for your 
> > > > > patience.  BTW, speaking of the hot human brain, scientists 
> > > > > have recently theorized that one of the functions of yawning is to 
> > > > > cool the brain.  
> > > > 
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >  From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@>
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:31 PM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity, 
> > > > > Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> > > > > 
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> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" <compost1uk@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" 
> > > > > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "The condemned man may live for several days or even weeks. 
> > > > > > > > But, he believes so strongly in the curse that has been 
> > > > > > > > uttered, that he will surely die. It is said that the ritual 
> > > > > > > > loading of the kundela creates a "spear of thought" which 
> > > > > > > > pierces the victim when the bone is pointed at him. It is as 
> > > > > > > > if an actual spear has been thrust at him and his death is 
> > > > > > > > certain."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Anxiety is a powerful thing. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So it seems. The "cause" of the anxiety was of course a purely
> > > > > > mental thing (or a thing in the realm of "meaning"), and
> > > > > > NOT a physical thing. And the anxiety was the effect, not
> > > > > > the cause.
> > > > > 
> > > > > When I think "anxiety" I think "adrenalin" which is physical. 
> > > > > The idea of what is frightening is held as a memory or instinct,
> > > > > which is an obvious evolutionary advantage. what to be scared of
> > > > > can also be learned, did you know it only takes two events of 
> > > > > any sort before the brain makes a neural link to alert the rest
> > > > > of the system how to behave next time the stimulus is encountered.
> > > > > 
> > > > > For instance, if you get nearly run over once the adrenalin
> > > > > dies away and the typical brain will put it down to experience.
> > > > > Twice and you will start to get anxious going near a road.
> > > > > Simple as that, and the funny thing about adrenalin is that
> > > > > when you are pumped up it changes the way you perceive the world,
> > > > > it heightens sound and movement, it changes the way blood flows 
> > > > > in the brain so you can't think logically but can only think
> > > > > of running away or fighting. To enable this it drags sugars out 
> > > > > of the liver and into the blood and draws blood from the stomach
> > > > > into the muscles.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best of all, any experience you have when in an aroused state
> > > > > gets tagged by the brain as being threatening and will cause a
> > > > > similar reaction if you keep having the same stimulus. This is how 
> > > > > neuroses develop, like agoraphobia or social shyness. Anxiety
> > > > > can and does pollute the whole brain, mind system. Your voodoo
> > > > > cult member is primed from childhood to die on command.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The point I'm making is, I don't see it as mind and matter,
> > > > > it's all the same thing to me, you can't seperate them, they
> > > > > don't work without each other. This is what I'm saying about
> > > > > consciousness, it's a function. Once you have enough brain
> > > > > cells you have consciousness. Emergent phenomena and it can
> > > > > no more be understood in terms of individual brain cells than
> > > > > wetness can be understood in terms of individual water molecules.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > Why do you think this proves 
> > > > > > > something pertinent to the argument here? It's like you've just
> > > > > > > googled odd stuff about the brain and drawn some whoppingly
> > > > > > > unnecessary argument out of it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It's about the world of the mental and the world of meaning
> > > > > > (the latter I think I'd prefer), and about how those worlds
> > > > > > can, sometimes, extinguish the world of the "merely" physical.
> > > > > > Because they are equally (or maybe more) real.
> > > > >
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