--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <jedi_spock@...> wrote:
> > --- Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salyavin, I still think all this has something to do with WHOLE brain
> > > functioning. I still think either there's no brain that does this and
> > > or science doesn't have instruments to measure such. I postulate that
> > > if both of these happened, it would be obvious that consciousness gives
> > > rise to matter.Â
> > >
> > >
> --- "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote:
> >
> > I think the phrase "whole brain functioning" refers to the
> > communication of different parts of the brain with each other.
> > TM scientists claim that doing TM improves the way the left
> > and right hemispheres work together making us more mentally
> > flexible.
> >
> > It doesn't extend to the atoms or molecules that make up the
> > cells in your brain. They just pass the electromagnetic impulses
> > along.
> >
> >
> > Am I totally brain washed?!
> >
> > I doubt it, but the new agers are so full of shit they want
> > you to believe so they can justify their latest BS quantum
> > chakra rebalancing course that it's tricky to sort the wheat
> > from the chaff, especially now the internet has proved itself
> > such a fertile breeding ground for nonsense.
> >
> >
>
> Allow me to rephrase the topic.
>
> Judy's thesis is this. There is a dark room. You are inside
> it in darkness. There is bright light outside. The windows
> are covered with blinds with no light coming in.
>
> You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming
> in. Later you let some more light come in. it's brighter.
> Again later you allow a little more light to come in.
>
> The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's
> fully illuminated from the light outside.
>
> Salyawin's thesis is this. You are in a dark room. You
> have a bulb and very tiny batteries. You connect the
> batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light.
>
> Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the
> light is slightly brighter. A little later, you connect it
> to a even larger battery and so on.
>
> The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully
> illuminated with powerfull batteries.
>
> Which is could be correct?
>
> If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from
> the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the
> hardware. It would be objective.
>
> If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality
> of nature's laws, it's a software issue. The Qualia aspect
> of reality is interesting. It's subjective.
>
> Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin.
>
Which side of a coin is the true side, heads or tails?
>
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:57 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SELF-HYPNOTIZE: Channel, End Negativity,
> > > Feel Good, Achieve Goals Dr. Shelley S
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What is consciousness?
> > > >
> > > > Tononi's Integrated Information Theory asserts that the level
> > > > consciousness depends on a certain sophistication in the interaction of
> > > > parts of a system. People point out that this means that even rocks are
> > > > conscious, but Tononi doesn't like that interpretation and tries to
> > > > make exceptions so that his theory can't be interpreted that way.
> > >
> > > Why doesn't he just dump the whole stupid thing and be done with it?
> > >
> > > > Even so, the level of interaction at the vacuum state is such that you
> > > > can't deny a certain consciousness-like aspect to that particuar system.
> > >
> > > Except that it isn't conscious in any meaningful way.
> > >
> > > > What is fun, is that in the early moments of the universe, the universe
> > > > was so small that you could think of it as one single system that
> > > > interacted fast enough due to its small size, that the entire thing
> > > > could be seen as one system.
> > >
> > > For almost a trillionth of a second, yes. This is the same thing
> > > Hagelin uses to justify astrology and reading tea leaves. It is BS
> > > that it means anything of the sort or consciousness or anything
> > > other than a bunch of hot whirly bits that know nothing about
> > > themselves or each other.
> > >
> > > > Interestingly enough, MMY describes the loss of consciousness of the
> > > > entire system as the time at which matter and energy manifest, and in
> > > > fact, at a certain point in the expansion of the universe, it cooled
> > > > due to expansion to the point that what we call normal matter and
> > > > energy came to be. So the universe got too big for the entire thing to
> > > > communicate in a conscious way somewhere along the same time that
> > > > matter and energy manifested.
> > > >
> > > > Fascinating. I wonder if he had that description in mind all along when
> > > > he worded things that way in his description of Vedic Cosmology.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > L
> > > >
> > > >
>
