--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <jedi_spock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jason, I liked your analogy and I think Judy asks a valid > > > > > question. What say you? > > > > > > > > > > --- "Jason" <jedi_spock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > Allow me to rephrase the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy's thesis is this. There is a dark room. You are inside > > > > > > it in darkness. There is bright light outside. The windows > > > > > > are covered with blinds with no light coming in. > > > > > > > > > > > > You slowly open it a little bit with very dim light coming > > > > > > in. Later you let some more light come in. it's brighter. > > > > > > Again later you allow a little more light to come in. > > > > > > > > > > > > The room slowly become brighter and brighter until it's > > > > > > fully illuminated from the light outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > Salyawin's thesis is this. You are in a dark room. You > > > > > > have a bulb and very tiny batteries. You connect the > > > > > > batteries to the bulb and get a very dim light. > > > > > > > > > > > > Later, you connect it to a bigger set of batteries and the > > > > > > light is slightly brighter. A little later, you connect it > > > > > > to a even larger battery and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > The room becomes brighter and brighter untill it's fully > > > > > > illuminated with powerfull batteries. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is could be correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > If consciousness is an emergent phenomena that comes from > > > > > > the ability to sense the outside universe, it would need the > > > > > > hardware. It would be objective. > > > > > > > > > > > > If consciousness came from the intelligence of the totality > > > > > > of nature's laws, it's a software issue. The Qualia aspect > > > > > > of reality is interesting. It's subjective. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring it on, Xeno Taxius, Judy, Salyawin. > > > > > > > > > > --- "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How do you account for the "you" in either of the above > > > > > scenarios? Where did it come from? > > > > > > > > Could it be that the self-awareness or the feeling of "I am" > > > > is inherent or intrinsic in everything starting from an > > > > electron. > > > > > > Weeeelllll...maybe. > > > > > > > If every electron "knows" the position of every other > > > > electron in the universe...... > > > > > > > > I think you nailed me. Got to give you credit. Well played > > > > Judy. > > > > > > It's amazing how easy it is to overlook. > > > > > > Some scientific folks insist very firmly that the sense of > > > self is just an illusion that processes in the brain create. > > > > > > Oh? And what/who is being fooled by it? > > > > Another part of the illusion. Go to sleep and they both disappear. > > Clever stuff. > > See what I mean? I think the absolute inability to grasp > the problem must be congenital, like color-blindness and > tone-deafness.
Maybe some people just grasp the wrong problem?
