I feel like Popeye after eating that big bowl of spinach to break my fast and seemingly wasting my day checking in and out on this here FFL Yahoo Message Board today, not that I wouldn't miss you all, but also with you, Christ, can you please help these mortal souls reach for the wine? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93419478 <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93419478>
...and also with you , unto you, unto me, ettiquette learned here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKJ4klvtJYY&list=PLMEDOnKxjX70tx6Q_itzSZj\ NYslNTkAjd <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKJ4klvtJYY&list=PLMEDOnKxjX70tx6Q_itzSZ\ jNYslNTkAjd> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote: > > "Peace be unto you" is a legitimate if slightly antiquated phrase, Ravi. > > Yes, I get that you think I am using archetypes, symbolism, myths, paradigms, etc. to form a narrative of my subjective, spiritual experience. Language consists of symbols that form a narrative for any experience. It is sometimes a useful tool. Sometimes not. > > Nonetheless, I don't hold any of these things as any kind of absolute truth which would leave me, as you put it, "invulnerable to reality". If I did, why would I take down my own autobiography and disavow it as being no longer relevant? > > But thanks for your input. I will attempt to give it all the attention it merits. > > Peace be unto you, really. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: > > > > Rory - You surely must mean - "peace unto me" in your last line right? > > > > Here's something that may help answer your question > > > > *Pocket dictionary of Mad Yogi's terms, Page 1* > > > > *Religious Delusional beliefs* - a set of beliefs, consisting of religious > > terms, myths, symbolism, archetypes, philosophy and/or paradigm that forms > > a person' narrative of his or her subjective, spiritual experiences which > > thereby leaves the person invulnerable to reality. > > > > Peace unto you - really. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Ravi. Yes, disturbingly hilarious about sums it up from this > > > end, too; nicely put. > > > > > > I have no idea what things you think I believe, delusional or (if there is > > > such a thing) otherwise, and I have no idea what on earth made you think I > > > believe them, but I assure you I consciously hold no beliefs to be > > > ultimately true. > > > > > > I will be happy to leave you out of my posts from here on. Peace be unto > > > you. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rory - I'm glad to hear you are doing well. > > > > > > > > I can't believe I'm now saying this but please leave me out of your > > > posts because now I'm worried about your extreme fragility and "my bug up > > > my ass" brutality sending you to hospital again.(I'm extremely serious, > > > concerned yet also find disturbingly hilarious) > > > > > > > > Let me say this - I now realize that there are physical implications in > > > questioning people's delusional beliefs as well and I wish to leave you > > > alone and it may be in your best interest to leave me out because I'm > > > extremely allergic to dishonesty and people misquoting, misrepresenting me > > > and then I will be forced to respond. > > > > > > > > A good thing now is you can once again start claims of your > > > invincibility, enlightenment, discuss your philosophy and bananagrams and I > > > will not even bother. Not for a while, not after all this drama. > > > > > > > > Ravi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:57 AM, RoryGoff wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK, I am genuinely curious, Jim -- I have always enjoyed respectful > > > and heartfelt conversations with you, and you seem to understand Judy and > > > Ravi. I do get your saying Ravi "has a bug up his ass," but what boundary > > > of Judy's did I cross, other than trying to have civil conversations with > > > Turq and Ravi, to get anointed with "the most egregious ego I have ever > > > seen," twice, followed by "Bullcrap" and "phony as a three-dollar bill"? In > > > what way was this speaking my language? Again, on some levels this I find > > > this very funny, but on others I do not. > > > > > > > > > > What I have learned from it is to keep them both at arm's length, > > > because after having opened my heart to them as true friends, the intense > > > physical shock felt like an actual heart attack. > > > > > > > > > > As some of the symptoms persisted over several days I finally went to > > > the clinic and they sent me to the ER, but the EKG, blood tests and lung > > > X-rays (don't ask me why they felt those were necessary) came back clean, > > > much to my and my wife's relief. > > > > > > > > > > Go figure! > > > > > > > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes you must speak another person's language to communicate > > > with them. Maharishi said this, meet them at their level of consciousness, > > > so rather than going on and on about compassion and my fellow man, > > > sometimes a good go fuck yourself serves equally well. It is not said in > > > judgment, but rather in context. An attempt at behavioral modification, as > > > would be used on a very stubborn and angry adult child. It shows them > > > immediately that there is a boundary there. Not something one would expect > > > to have to do around adults, setting social boundaries, but some are > > > childish in their state of emotional development. Sorry if it looks ugly > > > from the outside, in, but not sorry enough to stop it, if necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy and Xeno, I'm learning, especially here on FFL, that it's > > > best NEVER to blast someone unkindly. Whether it's *important to* reminds > > > me of something posted a few weeks ago: that evil takes over when good > > > people become prideful. Furthermore, I think it's possible to express one's > > > opinion, set boundaries, etc. without being unkind. Because really, exactly > > > what does unkindness accomplish? Does it produce kindness in the abusive > > > person? If so, then all I can say is that I have seen no empirical evidence > > > of that here on FFL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: authfriend > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:46 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chopra nothing without Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâ > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That may well be true. I don't think one ought to blast > > > > > > > people unkindly unless one feels it's important. It isn't > > > > > > > something to be done casually or for fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting blasted by Barry, and getting blasted by you are, > > > > > > > > for me, entirely different experiences. For me, that recent > > > > > > > > post to Share was the only one, of the ones of Barry's I > > > > > > > > have read recently that comes close to your intensity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've missed quite a few posts of his, it seems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you see this one, for instance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349106 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Actually this is my response, but Barry's post is > > > > > > > quoted in its entirety. Interestingly, not long > > > > > > > afterward, he decided he was going to go back to > > > > > > > not responding to his "enemies." Oh, BTW, below > > > > > > > Barry's post are my responses to two of yours, > > > > > > > which I'm not sure you saw either.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's another (also with my response at the top): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/349548 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes me wonder if somewhere in your life history your > > > > > > > > method of responding to people developed in response to > > > > > > > > some less than pleasant events, or it could a family > > > > > > > > characteristic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither, sorry to disappoint you. Maybe I was just lucky, > > > > > > > but until I started posting to electronic forums 25 or > > > > > > > so years ago, I'd never encountered this kind of > > > > > > > intellectual and factual dishonesty and gratuitous > > > > > > > obnoxiousness. (You can call that a "less than pleasant > > > > > > > event" if you like, but somehow I don't think it's what > > > > > > > you had in mind.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people seem inclined to confrontation and argument > > > > > > > > more than others. So in reply to your last comment, aside > > > > > > > > from the question I asked about percentages, I do think > > > > > > > > you are confrontational and accusatory. I am stating this > > > > > > > > as if it were a fact. But the other side of the coin is, > > > > > > > > do you think yourself that you are this way or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I think it's appropriate, yes indeed. (The difference > > > > > > > between you and me in that regard is that I'm honest > > > > > > > about it.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the people on the forum who are generally favourable to > > > > > > > > you think you are confrontational and accusatory? There > > > > > > > > would seem to be a range of opinion on this issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you've thought more about it than I have. It's not > > > > > > > something I'm concerned about. You probably should ask > > > > > > > the folks you have in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would assume that those who thought you were would tend > > > > > > > > to be more favourable in Barry's direction, and those who > > > > > > > > felt you were not would not be favourable to Barry, and > > > > > > > > even if they thought you were confrontational and accusatory, > > > > > > > > would feel it was justified as you championed ideas and an > > > > > > > > outlook on life they were more comfortable with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea what your point is here. I think people react > > > > > > > to Barry as individuals, not because of how I react to him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you're the exception, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
