--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> <snip>
> > So long as we do *not* appreciate *this*
> > moment as a "god-given" gift we have not yet fully unwrapped and
> > understood -- that long do we find it to be shrouded in
darkness,
> > ignorance, fear, suffering, and so on: the darkness and
ignorance
> > of our own lack of attention and unconditional appreciation.
>
> Yes, that's being overshadowed.
>
> > When we
> > simply "be" with it, breathe with it, allow ourselves to feel it
in
> > the body non-judgmentally ("this too is good" -- or "...God"
> > or "...bliss" --), relaxing into it while appreciating it, then
it
> > lightens up.
>
> Yes, that's what being overshadowed makes it
> impossible to do.
How do you know this is impossible, Judy, if you haven't tried it?
Over the past 20 years I have never yet seen *anyone* --
"enlightened" or "not," meditator or not -- who didn't experience
this lightening-up from breathing and attending nonjudgmentally to
one's bodily "ignorance".
But then, I have never seen anyone before who actually pre-decided
attending to "ignorance" was impossible *because* s/he was
in "ignorance"; that's a new one on me. You're quite right; I bow to
your invincible ignorance! :-)
> <snip>
> > Judy:
> > > > > I don't know what it's like to be realized; I do
> > > > > know what it's like to be ignorant, in other words.
> >
> > Rory:
> > > > "Being realized" isn't "like" anything <snip>
> >
> > Judy:
> > > Yes, it is. It's like being realized. It's *not*
> > > like being in ignorance.
> >
> > Rory:
> > How do you know this, if you don't know what being realized is?
In
> > my experience/understanding anyhow, it is *precisely* like being
in
> > ignorance -- with the slight but crucial adjustment <snip>
>
> Right. Lacking that "slight but crucial
> adjustment" is what being in ignorance is
> like. Not like being realized, in other words.
Who is going to make or allow that "slight but crucial adjustment"
if not you?
When (if ever) do you plan to make or allow it?
Is there a Judy in the near or distant future who has made it or
allowed it?
If so, what does she feel like?
If "Enlightenment" is outside of time and space, does that mean it
is equally available now as it is twenty lifetimes from now?
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