you are so far out in left field - there is zero evidence that GD gave marshy any mantras - that is an apocryphal TM story - given the fact that some claim GD told him he was NOT a spiritual teacher, that he was a business man why would he? Those mantras are commonly available in India - they are not specifically from GD or the Shankara tradition - nor is the TM puja - the idea of the "holy tradition" with the Big M as last custodian is a MYTH - but go ahead a believe it if you must. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 10/9/13, Richard J. Williams <pundits...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
To: "Richard J. Williams" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 3:16 PM
So, we can
assume, based on their input
from this thread, that the bija mantras used in the
basic TM
practice came from MMY's teacher, SBS and the
Shankaracharya
tradition.
No one seems to be disputing this.
And we do know that everything MMY did he did it in
the name of
his teacher, SBS, according to Larry Domash.
"From him, Maharishi absorbed this timeless
value, a breadth and
delicacy of awareness that allows the full range of
states of
consciousness available to the human nervous system to
be directly
experienced in a systematic way." - Larry Domash
So, let's examine the account by Larry Domash as
to where the MMY
bija mantras came from.
"The Shankaracharya tradition, furthermore, is
considered to be
the official custodian of the body of techniques and
practices
that constitute the physiological and experiential
side of India's
Vedic philosophy, especially those techniques that
collectively
may be called 'meditation'." - Larry
Domash
http://tinyurl.com/o65rpv2
So, the question is, why did Domash skip over the
tantric origins
of the SBS practice? Maybe because he is not a
historian and
didn't know about the SBS affilations with the Sri
Vidya sect. Or,
maybe he didn't know that the TM bija mantras are
enumerated in
the Sounda. Go figure.
On 10/8/2013 8:32 AM, iranitea wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Judy: "Shut up, Richard. I'm not
disputing anything.
"
She's
just
such a sweetie, isn't she?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
It
sure is looking like the authfriend is
disputing
the fact that Swami Karpatri was a
member of the
Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do
that and
mislead us about the SBS affiliations
with Sri
Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was
a Sri Vidya
he learned it from his guru SKS. Go
figure.
"He was also the great expert of
Shree Vidya and
probably all the present day experts
in Varanasi
have somehow or the other obtained
Shree vidya
from him or his pupils."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
Why would MMY tell a fib about his
tradition's
lineage?
So many questions - so few answers.
The question is: why do some TMers
meditate on the
bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't
get the bja from
SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read
it in a
book? Is it just a coincidence that
the bija of
Saraswati is included in the fifteen
bijas
mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by
the Adi
Shankara?
There is one undisputed fact: all the
Saraswati
dasanami's meditate on the bija
mantra of
Saraswati at least twice a day!
Is there anyone here who would dispute
this?
On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@...
wrote:
Thanks
for the link authfriend. I can see
why MMY would
approve that
account!
Richard's
posts seem to
confirm that
Guru Dev most likely did have
a Sri
Yantra.
I
still think that the tale of
Maharishi
bumping off his master,
stealing his
jewelled Sri Yantra and then
heading south
to meet with Indian magicians
who teach
him how to unlock its secrets
would make a
great movie: Maharishi invokes
asuras
who promise him unlimited
wealth and power
- the CGI people are given
free rein at
this point. The asuras'
acolyte
(film-maker Kenneth Anger) is
instructed
to prepare the way amongst
rock royalty
like the Stones and the
Beatles . . .
and so it goes. Scorcese would
lap this
up.
A
while back I read Our Spiritual
Heritage: An Informal
History of the
Masters of the Sankaracharya
Tradition by
Lynn Nappe (a former TM
teacher) - the
story of each of the masters
of the
Shankaracharya tradition. The
entry for
Guru Dev includes an overview
of his
meditation advice that is most
certainly not
TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this
by saying
Guru Dev's own technique
was different but
he wanted a simple variant
suitable for
the "housekeeper". I
guess we're all
housekeepers . . . housewives
or
househusbands.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,
<noozguru@...>
wrote:
On
10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard
J. Williams
wrote:
So, where did the
meditation of
SBS come from?
Meditation is a
technique that is
common all over India,
especially
in
the sect of the Sri
Vidya. In that
tradition they
meditate on the
bija
mantra of Saraswati.
It's the same
bija mantra given out
in TM
initiation. It's
the same
technique - it's a
meditation
using a bija
mantra of Saraswati.
Let's review what
we know about
SBS.
Rajaram Mishra, later
to become
Swami Bramhananda
Saraswati, was
born on
Thursday, 21 December,
1868 in
village Gana, which is
close to
the city
of Ayodhya, in North
India.
Rajaram was enrolled
at the
Sanskrit
Institute at Kashi at
the age of
eight and later became
a student
of
Swami Krishnananda
Saraswati of
Utter Kashi.
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html
Are we agreed so far?
So, we can assume that
the SBS
learned meditation
from SKS who
was
initiated by his guru.
All the
gurus in the Saraswati
lineage
meditate
on the bija of
Saraswati. Their
headquarters is at
Sringeri.
According
to the Shankaracharya
of
Jyotirmath, the
meditation
technique used in TM
originated with the
Vedic sage
Naryana. It's the
same meditation
that is
used by all the
Shankaracharyas in
that lineage.
So, the TM bija
mantras came from
SBS, who was a member
of the
dasanami
order of the Saraswati
dandi
sannyasins, founded by
the Adi
Shankara.
The bijas used in TM have
been around
for ages. And they
didn't have to come
from anyone.
.
