yep, I have to agree with you
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On Wed, 1/15/14, TurquoiseB <turquoi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 1:16 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
 wrote:
 >
 > of course they are lying about it - that's their
 stock in trade
 
 The sadder reality, Michael, one
 that you may not be aware of from personal experience (or
 may...that is for you to say) is that they *aren't*
 lying. Except to themselves. 
 
 One of the aspects of the disciple mindset (or cult mindset
 if you prefer) is that people who have bought into a
 shitload of dogma laid on them by teachers they now revere
 almost as infallible and as near-gods (think MMY) have an
 incredible way of *just never thinking about* anything that
 contradicts that dogma. They stuff any contradictions or
 cognitive dissonance away back in a corner of their minds --
 literally "out of sight, out of mind." 
 
 So technically many of these people are *not* lying --
 consciously -- when they say that TM is not a religion,
 often only a couple of hours after leaving a
 "celebration" at MUM in which they chanted and
 made offerings to Hindu gods. They push the dogma
 they've been told to repeat -- and which they
 desperately *need* to be true to keep up their allegiance to
 this org/cause they've been told is so important -- and
 they just hide the cognitive dissonance away in the back of
 their minds and never acknowledge it. 
 
 I have sadly been there, done that. Both in the TMO and in
 the Rama trip, so I know it's not only possible, but
 probable for *most* of the TM Teachers repeating the
 "TM is not a religion" meme they've been
 taught to repeat. I myself repeated the "TM is 100%
 life-supporting and cannot possibly have any negative
 characteristics" even *while* assigned to the
 "Twitching Group" in Fiuggi, surrounded by dozens
 of people like myself experiencing non-stop jerks and spasms
 and symptoms that looked for all the world like a viral
 outbreak of Tourette's Syndrome. It took *years* --
 after hearing of a number of suicides and seeing people wind
 up in mental hospitals after long TM courses -- before I
 became open enough to recognize that I'd been lying to
 myself, and thus to others. I *wanted* to believe the
 "no negative side effects" meme, so I managed to
 blot out recognition and acknowledgement of anything that
 suggested it wasn't true. 
 
 I would suspect that many of the people still clinging to
 the "TM is not a religion" meme are doing the same
 thing. A few may indeed be consciously aware of the reality
 and be lying about it, but my bet is that many are still so
 stuck in the cult mindset that they feel they *have* to
 believe what they were told to believe, and *have* to repeat
 it every time the question comes up. 
 
 Yes, it boggles the mind, but that is the nature of the cult
 mindset. People who had to learn and memorize the English
 translation of the TM puja and "hold it lively in their
 minds" every time they chanted the Sanskrit version of
 it will look you straight in the eyes and call it a
 "non-religious, traditional ceremony." *Some* part
 of them knows that they're lying, but it's a part
 they can never admit into their conscious awareness. 
 
 It's really weird, but it happens every day, in pretty
 much every religion, spiritual organization, and cult in the
 world. It even happens in business. I remember a documentary
 about activists who were tried in court for staging a
 demonstration at a General Electric plant back in (I think)
 the 60s. The screenplay was largely drawn from transcripts
 of the actual trials, and thus the under-oath testimony of
 workers at the plant, *dozens* of whom claimed that they
 didn't know what they were building in that GE plant.
 "We just worked there," they all said, claiming
 that they had no idea that they were working in the largest
 manufacturing facility for atomic weapons in the world.
 Every morning they walked in through a main entrance hall in
 which was prominently displayed the nosecone of an Atlas
 missile, and yet they claimed that they didn't know what
 they were building megadeath every day on their assembly
 lines. 
 
 Go figure. That's the cult mindset for you -- protect
 the myths, protect the memes, protect the image of the group
 that pays you or that you owe allegiance to, hide your own
 everyday lies by hiding the truth even from yourself, way
 down deep in parts of your mind that you never allow to
 surface. That's what I think is going on when any TM
 Teacher these days claims that the TMO is not a religious
 organization. They're not necessarily lying to you;
 they're lying to themselves. 
 
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 > On Wed, 1/15/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote:
 > 
 >  Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible
 thing.
 >  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 >  Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 4:58 AM
 >  
 >        'Apostasy is the
 >  formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or
 renunciation of
 >  a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is
 known as
 >  an apostate.'
 >  As I never was the member of
 >  any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused of
 >  apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion,
 so no
 >  one can ever be correctly accused for disafilliating
 or
 >  abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of course the TM org
 is
 >  lying about that claim).
 
 
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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