---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote:
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” I actually disagree with this quote. You are proof that this is not so. You feel you were bamboozled yet you have come out the other side and refuse to be bamboozled any longer. In fact, you are trying your damnedest to reveal the dirty secrets of the bamboozlers. (Isn't that a great word?!) ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark My thanks to Kyle who brought this to my attention. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 2/21/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... <dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Moral Behavior and TM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 21, 2014, 3:22 PM Yep; No, no this is an old vendetta you keep. You have no idea what they are like now. Born in to life with their personalities, their upbringings and such all these people put their pants on one leg at a time in life. You left TM a long time ago. They stayed on the path and you wandered off in to the world a long time ago. This is hardly a scientific conclusion or spiritually fair what you are asserting. You'd have to come back to better judge how it goes for these guys. No, you are just making excuses for railing against TM again instead of understanding these people and what makes them tick otherwise. Their bad-behavior mostly likely had not anything to do with the practice of TM it was just who they were. -Buck , Michael Jackson wrote: Specifically, I have found fault with Bevan Morris, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bill Sands, Neal Patterson, Marshy, Girish, the Srivastavas brothers, Susan Humphries, Cris Crowell, John Hagelin, Reed Martin and all the lying and manipulation that they and other small medium and large managers in the TMO have done. RW writes:So, what do these people have to do with your meditation? MJackson74 writes Okay Buddy, you are laying it on the line here: "Obviously we are born in to this wold with nature and then there is nurture. Evidently moral behavior is something developed and cultured in good upbringing. My feeling in watching is that a lot of the bad behavior that MJ in writing here for instance is so upset about in the TM community movement comes from bad upbringing and does not have so much of anything to do with whether some one meditates. It's mostly bad manners without virtue. Evidently. That's what I see, they are just being bad people for their poor upbringings and sometimes they are even immoral. Okay, that can be really bad at times on the part of some but not the normative of most folks. Just really bad upbringing." The whole point to many of my posts here is that TM does not work as you claim it works. The WHOLE FUCKING POINT to TM all these years is that TM IMPROVES EVERYTHING! That is the claim made for it. That's the whole point to doing TM, improving your life. If one has bad upbringing, then TM can make you a better person. Why do you think the David Lynch leeches are pushing so hard to get TM to the AT RISK populations, especially the young ones??? To, among other things, counteract BAD UPBRINGING! So if bad upbringing can't be negated or improved by regular practice of TM, what good is the practice? You have hoist yourself on your own petard, Buck. You seem to be saying that if one has bad upbringing, TM won't change the behavior that bad upbringing creates. Specifically, I have found fault with Bevan Morris, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bill Sands, Neal Patterson, Marshy, Girish, the Srivastavas brothers, Susan Humphries, Cris Crowell, John Hagelin, Reed Martin and all the lying and manipulation that they and other small medium and large managers in the TMO have done. Are you saying that all the above named individuals had bad upbringing? You are making excuses for why TM obviously seems to work in reverse for people who run the Movement.
