Thanks for this noozguru. Actually I've been feeling the kapha a lot the last
week or so, sort of heavy and lethargic. I'll try this and also avoiding any
heavy foods. I guess the almond butter will have to wait til December!
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:53 AM, Bhairitu <noozg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Of course there are no such things as "Hindu gods". They are metaphors for
laws of physics. As I have mentioned many times on FFL, this was so
beautifully put at a talk given at a performance at a Katakali dance theater in
Cochin.
I like to call mantras "resonance patterns" because they resonate
with certain areas of the body and cause changes not only in
consciousness but also in metabolic functioning. They are indeed
as said by the yogi you quote "useful tools."
I have also provided an example in the terms of the simple beej
mantras that are used in ayurveda. The next time folks folks feel
a little mentally foggy they should try repeating the mantra
"hoom" or "hoong". It's vibration is centered in the area of the
brain and will help clear the mind as it is a kapha reducing
mantra.
On 03/25/2014 05:02 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who
>stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the "meaning"
>of mantras.
>Their fundamental claim is that a mantra is the name of a Hindu god. The claim
>is that a mantra, by definition, encapsulates a method for worshiping a Hindu
>god but that this fact is withheld from practitioners. Within the domain of
>this argument, these claimants will often quote some text from a Hindu Tantra.
>These quotes are passages usually assigning a particular deity to a particular
>mantra and sometimes even assigning a set of deities to each of the Sanskrit
>letters composing the written forms of the mantra’s sound. This textual
>assignment is often done quite haphazardly but occasionally is done in the
>Vedic format of rishi-deva-chhanda.
>Along with the quoted Tantric text is sometimes a quoted statement by MMY,
>declaring that a mantra is a "sound whose effect is known". This argument
>quotes the TMO claim that a mantra is used in TM for the beneficial effects it
>produces in causing the spontaneous refinement of perception. This explanation
>is then paraded as an example of shameful exploitation of Western ignorance of
>the "Hindu" foundation of TM and of any other Indian meditation that does not
>confess itself as a form of "Hindu devotionalism". This devotionalist
>criticism is further paraded around by pointing to various Indian swamis and
>cross-eyed yogis who make these claims and arguments themselves.
>Here are some considerations about these claims:
>SBS taught in India. MMY began teaching in India before coming to the West.
>They both taught within the context of the Indian Hindu cultural model.
>Although they taught in India, where there are many Muslims, they did not
>present their teaching within a Muslim cultural model. Although Buddhism is
>from India and many Indians consider Buddha as one of their own, neither SBS
>nor MMY taught within a Buddhist cultural model. Rather, they taught within
>the cultural context of their listeners.
>After coming to the West, MMY continued speaking and teaching within the
>Indian cultural model - for a while. It was the teaching model established by
>Vivekananda and Paramahansa Yogananda – partly religious, partly philosophical
>and partly yogic. However, the cultural context of this form of teachings was
>the 19th and 20th century paradigm of Western Modernity.
>When MMY realized the limitations brought by this model and the limitations of
>religious language here in the West he took a left turn. That divergence left
>some of his teachers behind - Charlie Lutts being an example.
>This is one reason that pointing to early religious language by MMY or SBS is
>an inaccurate over-simplification.
>As far as the “it is all a deceit” claimants, the two groups that are the most
>antagonist and strident are the materialists and the religionists.
>Materialists claim mantras are the mumbo formulas of hindoo gods and that the
>concept of gods/god is a false idea propounded by power brokers to enslave the
>masses. This is a truncated Marxist view popular among the half-educated.
>Contrary to this, the fundamentalist religions claim that mantras are secret
>demonic traps devised to enslave us to hindoo devils. This is the view of
>true-believing adherents of the Abrahamic religions – Jews, Christians and
>Muslims. This is not some fundamentalist diatribe from TV evangelicals. This
>was the original view of Christians from the second century C.E. forward and
>was used as an ideological propellant for killing polytheists after
>Constantine’s ascent to Roman power.
>What is obvious is that both groups are unable to rationally consider the
>facts because they are ideologues entrenched in a priori conclusions. One
>example of this is a clear demarcation about the difference between yoga and
>religion. Materialists dismiss such an idea because yoga historically emerged
>within in a Hindu cultural context. Semitic monotheists condemn this idea for
>the same reason.
>If we consider the role of yoga, it is apparent that most meditating
>Westerners are functionally ignorant about the nature, range, depth and
>complexity of yoga lineages - whether Vedic, Hindu, Buddhist or Jain. Most of
>them do not know the difference between Vedic, Puranic and Tantric lineages of
>practice. They also do not understand how these three streams developed and
>then intertwined into Hindu temple rites. They don't know vidhi from vedi.*
>(*vidhi is a specific method of puja. Vedi is the altar used in yajña. )
>Even more surprising, most swamis and imported "yogis" are not Pandits,
>Indologists, or Sanskritists. Very few are formally educated in the yoga
>traditions of the Indian subcontinent. Most are only trained in asana,
>pranayam and japa. A little bhakti here, a few Upanishad citations there and
>"om tat sat" - I’m a guru.
>Faced with this, most of us Westerners who meditate are at a disadvantage when
>presented with claims that we are not educated to conceptualize within an
>informed view.
>To counter-point this misunderstanding, I am providing a short but
>authoritative quotation from an impeccable Yogic source about the difference
>between mantra practice in both yogic and devotional sadhana practice.
> Baba Hari Dass(the upa-guru of Ram Dass)
>On the difference between Mantra practice and Japa practice.
>1. Mantra is the repetition of sounds or words which have power due to
>the vibration of the sound itself.
>2. Japa is the rhythmic repetition of a name of God.
> It (Japa) consists of automatic Pranayama, concentration and meditation. The
>main idea in doing Japa is to make the mind thoughtless. Then automatically
>body consciousness disappears. If your body consciousness disappears, it means
>your sadhana is going well. The body is the medium of sadhana and the body is
>the hindrance in sadhana. Japa is a formal method of worshipping God. It
>should be done privately and preferably with a mala, or rosary.
> Silence
Speaks: from the chalkboard of Baba Hari Dass, 1977 (my bolding).
>*vidhi is a specific method of puja. Vedi is the altar used in yajna.
>Baba Hari Dass is an impeccable yogin possessed of vairagya and dispossessed
>of any agenda. He is the “yogin’s yogin”. My point is to call attention to an
>alternate authoritative source - someone able to explain the distinction
>between mantra-dhyana and mantra-japa. The key is to recognize that a mantra
>can be used in meditation simply for its sound value, without any reference to
>meaning. While this may seem over-obvious to TM and Sahaj Samadhi meditators,
>this is what demarcates it from ordinary language.
>
>Used in this way, mantric sound is part of the human sensorium but is
>self-generated in the same way that speech is. This kind of bare sensoria is
>non-conceptual and does not require analysis to be perceived. Bija mantras are
>yogic tools for just this type of non-conceptual (nirvikalpa) direct cognition.
>
>The reality is that MMY told us the truth about mantras and their proper yogic
>use in TM. The cultural artifact that these critics use as proof is that
>Indians use mantras for Japa to a hindu deity. This is just a datum of the
>Indian mind set. No self-respecting “Hindu” conducts their life without a
>least 20-30 mantras on-hand at all times (except for Indian communists).
>TM/Sahaj Samadhi meditators do not engage in such a practice, unless they
>choose to engage in bhakti to a particular deva. Such a practice then becomes
>a mode of worship rather than meditation.
>
>When someone claims that TM meditation is by definition Hindu worship then
>they are either misinformed, ignorant of basic definitions or just
>simple-minded ideologues.
>
