> As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen
> in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here
> eagerly awaiting his "raps". There aren't. Only a handful of people
> read this stuff.
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Maybe MJ meant this post for Judy. If so, that would be quite a smear. I
can't say it's been a pleasant exchange with MJ - it looks like he's headed
for a take-down from Judy. This is going to be fun to watch, either way.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:18 AM, nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote:
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> As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in
> the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here
> eagerly awaiting his "raps". There aren't. Only a handful of people read
> this stuff.
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> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
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> Nablusoss, he's naming names of people who continue to contribute good to
> my life. I'm responding to show lurkers etc. another perspective.
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> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:56 AM, nablusoss1008 <
> no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Share, why on earth should you be the first person to take MJ seriously ?
> The fellow proved years ago here that he is in need of professional care.
> Don't waste your time.
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> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
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> Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and
> I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know
> most of the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few
> of them. But based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really
> good people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated
> to making the world a better place for everyone.
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> I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things
> about people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me,
> it seems down right, very much out of balance.
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> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...>
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> that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
> TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
> relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear
> with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by
> regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems
> will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu
> designed house.
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> yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
> commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
> students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
> (like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about
> the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according
> to you have kept Dome numbers low.
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> You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong
> with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay
> it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated
> with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO
> and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM
> corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says.
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> So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
> esoterically minded lay it off on "personal karma" yet we have been told by
> the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM
> works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So
> you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an
> enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks
> whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM.
> As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent
> people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they
> will be asses with TM.
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> One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not
> seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence
> course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give
> bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
> treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in
> charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of
> the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third
> residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch
> and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has
> nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing:
>
> It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene
> Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan
> Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member
> him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons
> of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM
> makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and
> that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
> -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO -
> must be collective karma.
>
> Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel
> nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes
> mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too -
> you can lay it off on their "personal karma" or whatever you like, but the
> rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make
> excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David
> believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to
> make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
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> On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
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> illumined.
> There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in
> any
> person. People are born in to the temple as the human
> nervous system
> that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM]
> like
> consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then
> there are
> the families and communities they are born in to. We should
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> some of
> those even in the TM movement to explain some of their
> behavior aside
> from some factors around illumination on a scale of
> consciousness.
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> actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a
> lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and
> consciousness too.
> I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all
> this stuff
> in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as
> with
> any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community
> or any
> organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for
> performance to
> judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say
> that the sociopaths show
> themselves for who they are when there are standards of
> performance. That is good information in getting
> along: groups and organizations beware and protect
> yourselves accordingly, -Buck
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> That was
> probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their
> upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at
> all...
> Actually the
> attorneys general protecting the general public have
> put most the crooked community meditators out of business
> either in
> to jail or barred from at least security business, some
> barred for
> life. It is not that these
> bad-minded ones were meditators but much more
> likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely
> they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever
> they came
> from. Those
> crooked while certainly part of the old story of
> Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the
> meditating
> community of Fairfield, Iowa.
> Om, just to be a
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> more accurate about some things mentioned below for any
> outsiders
> looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG
> churning
> accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned.
> Telegroup
> was taking in good people's money from the community at
> their front
> door while loading it out the back door as they were filing
> for
> bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different
> route of
> consumer fraud played on people.-Buck
> Yes, and thanks
> be to the Unified Field for the States
> Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of
> protecting us all
> as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad
> people doing bad things.
> -Buck
> Mjackson74
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> just as soon "invest" my money with Ed
> Beckley.
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> have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't
> there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one
> that someone shared here right after I first began posting
> on FFL about the Movement asking for "investors"
> to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the
> investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing
> and discounts on products and services - and the minute the
> Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal,
> saying all the "investors" would be re-payed only
> with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial
> investments, nothing! My favorite!
> Duveyoung
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> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
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> Telegroup? I would think
> they'd beashamed to even mention the
> name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do
> highfalutin' sounding enterprises.
> Is this another
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> Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the
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