Brain tumour, advanced stages of AIDS ? Who knows. Anyhow, he has been adviced to seek professional help but refuse.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote : It's beginning to look like, but I'm not sure, but maybe MJ has a brain problem situation on his hands. When an anonymous poster starts talking about other people's private sex life, or lack thereof, on a public forum, that may be an indicator that he's got some serious issues of his own. Go figure. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Share Long <sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@...> wrote: Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone. I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right, very much out of balance. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@...> wrote: that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house. yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you have kept Dome numbers low. You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says. So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more esoterically minded lay it off on "personal karma" yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM. One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing: It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma. Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay it off on their "personal karma" or whatever you like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... <dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people.-Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes:I'd just as soon "invest" my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for "investors" to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the "investors" would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd beashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of "faith-based" businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to "steal" the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] "just made up their advice" to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! ..
