> everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already
> shared all my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals
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So, why are you still here? Nobody wants to seriously dialog with you
because you are so crude and nasty,n sort of like how you describe your
relatives.You sound worse than the people you rail against. You haven't
made a good impression - you sound pretty black and white, yourself. So,
what's your point? You're not going to change any minds here. Go figure.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com>wrote:
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> everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already
> shared all my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here
> on FFL
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> On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
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> you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
> and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
> with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
> had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
> current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
> people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
> dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
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> I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
> such negative things about people with whom you haven't
> had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
> very much out of balance.
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> 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com>
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> people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
> ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
> the implication is made that money issues will disappear
> with the improved all around functioning of the individual
> brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
> stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
> yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
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> yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
> unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
> like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
> (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
> commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
> complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
> Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
> have kept Dome numbers low.
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> You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
> anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
> practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
> by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
> and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
> the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
> upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
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> Those more esoterically minded lay it off on "personal
> karma" yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
> that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
> ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
> doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
> acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
> people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
> known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
> TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
> have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
> they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
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> - I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
> him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
> to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
> to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
> treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
> Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
> was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
> South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
> course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
> bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
> he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
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> like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
> Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
> Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
> The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
> sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
> remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
> personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
> much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
> -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels
> of the TMO - must be collective karma.
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> people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades.
> The same practice causes mental instability, emotional
> problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay it
> off on their "personal karma" or whatever you
> like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is
> concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and
> for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that
> TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire
> to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your
> breath as you wait.
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> be to the Unified Field for the States
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> Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of
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> sharing
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