"An enthusiastic response" from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to 
keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :

 Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. 
 

 Maharishi has been dead a looooong time now. You apparently have only 
witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, 
do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of 
functioning.  We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, 
because we are enjoying a full spiritual life.
 

 You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement 
Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who 
passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow 
spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, 
if I were you.

C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind...

This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended 
because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about 
the meaning of such experiences.

It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and 
the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that 
poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my 
exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such 
experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those 
programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. 
But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point 
of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these 
experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about 
what is going on inside another person. 

Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek 
from this kind of "I experience whatever and you don't" putdown.  

Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of 
mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about 
cancer.

Jim: "Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way 
possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually 
an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any 
repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer."

C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively 
determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it 
is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the 
victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their 
"repressed block of emotion" somehow 'solidifying" into cancer as well as their 
lack of knowing themselves in "every possible way."

You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular 
idea among the crystals and Bach "remedy" crowd. 

I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. 
I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much 
unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. 
I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their 
time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them 
as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing 
their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate metaphor) "lose 
their battle" with cancer.

Humans don't understand all the factors that lead to many of the forms of 
cancer, but they do for some. We have made tremendous strides in treating those 
that we do understand and for some that are genetically based we have a 
direction for further research. There is no proven link between anyone's 
internal state of mind and their cancer. ( I know this will be met with the 
objection that your are talking about some inner quality that only people with 
your special state of mind can know about and scientists just don't know about 
it yet...uh huh...

I think your POV victimizes the victim and makes it appear that they have 
failed in their spiritual quest in contrast to you who have succeeded 
(according to your own claims) and are therefore magically immune to cancer. 
And judging how you wield your self proclaimed special state of mind as a 
cudgel in putting others down here, I don't suspect you will be disturbed by 
the perhaps unintended consequence of your POV. There is an invincible smugness 
in your, I can't get cancer because of my spiritual attainments, that is 
impervious to feedback. 

I also predict that due to your non repressed block of emotions, I can expect 
an enthusiastic response.





















---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 
 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
   Well, there's floating during TM-SIdhis pracice, and then there's floating 
during daily activity. Allegedly someone fully in Unity could perform any and 
all TM-SIdhis at any time, in any circumstance.
 
And you believe this why?

 

 But of course, MMY never demonstrated floating in public that I have heard of 
and never said that he had floated, only that he could if he wanted to.
 

 Oh, my bad. You believe it because some guy who could never demonstrate it 
said it. :-)

 
















Just as an additional point, haven't you seen the reports that many of these 
statements about immortality were spoken by a guy on videotapes that were 
filmed in the last few years of his life as he was lying prone on his bed, 
using a special (and rather deceptive) apparatus that made it appear as if he 
was sitting up. If you actually believe what he was purported to say about his 
ability to levitate, why couldn't he have just levitated over to the lecture 
hall and given these talks in person, and while actually sitting up? For that 
matter, if you believe that he was actually able to levitate and that there is 
some relationship between this and immortality, why did he die? We'll wait...  








  




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