Was the Washington state project done at the same time as the Rhode Island
deal? Or were they done at different times?
From: "Bhairitu [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield
Life
You are truly a neophyte when it comes to pujas the sub pujas and shuddis
contained. But then you probably didn't get much information on your TTC. On
the second phase of the six month course I was on in 1976 there was much more
information.
Mason is quoting the Guru Puja. Again it's symbolic. Furthermore you were
quoting the tradition of masters which is at the beginning after the initial
invocation. Those are mostly NOT deities but actual people like Parashara who
were gurus who authored sutras.
None of this is any big deal and does NOT constitute a cult. Certainly there
were rules in the organization as you would find in any organization including
high school service clubs who often have initiation rituals too as well as
college clubs. But as I stated nothing was overbearing until we got the
self-appointed "TM cops" who many of us blew off anyway. By that time I was
moving on. I think many of us enjoyed the camaraderie of folks with the same
interests that made up the organization before 1978 when things became more
stringent.
I recall when Maharishi visited Seattle in August of 1978. As you may (or may
not) know teachers from all over the US came that summer to make Washington the
first state of the Age of Enlightenment. That's because Seattle had a very
active TM center of really cool not zealous teachers. These teaches were very
popular with the public. At a meeting with the teachers at one point Maharishi
was taking questions and someone asked about the TM Sidhis in relation to
religion and some point he had made in the past about religion. He dismissed
what he had said in the past as a "psychological construct." Bingo! I started
wondering how much of ANY of this were "psychological constructs."
Hope that helps.
On 05/30/2015 11:14 PM, TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Just a reminder for those who have forgotten their TM puja and what it
means:
puja to Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati -
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From: "TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield
Life
I usually ignore anything Doug Hamilton posts from his schizophrenic
"Buck" personality, but given the topic under discussion lately -- cults --
this post *needs* to be replied to, because in it "Buck" is *demonstrating* the
very cult thinking he claims doesn't exist.
The point he's trying to make is NOT TRUE. I don't think *anyone* on this
forum has ever said that TM is "all-cult" in that *everyone* who practices it
is a cultist. In fact, this claim is the *opposite* to what those who have
stated or agreed that there are cultic aspects to the TMO *have* said.
The people who have *agreed* that the TMO is to some extent a cult -- in
particular me, Mike Dixon, and Michael Jackson -- have all specified very
clearly that if a person were to learn the TM technique and then have little
or nothing to do with the TM movement then they probably *wouldn't* be a
cultist.
But could there be someone living in Fairfield, Iowa practicing the TM
technique who qualifies for this "out" and has so little contact with the TMO
as not to be considered a cultist? I don't think so. *By definition* if you
have chosen to live in the middle of Buttfuck Iowa, you were drawn enough to
the dogma and the promises of the TMO to do so. And living there for many
years, having to put up with the rules and regs that the TMO imposed on its
members, you also don't qualify for the "out." If you live in Fairfield and
you practice TM, at some point in the past you were a cultist, even though you
may have minimal contact with the TMO now. Get real.
As for "extremists, given to violence in their battle," that's just "Buck"
fantasy. THAT is cult-speak, and furthermore a vision of what is happening on
FFL that exists only inside his own head. "Buck" is so much a cultist that he
doesn't even know it. Which makes him the most dangerous kind of cultist.
From: "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield
Life
7Ray, intriguing observation about tunnel vision and some of the TM
haters' fundamentalism. Karen Armstrong similarly is writing about a nature of
oppression in fundamentalism being Ideologically bound. 'Lot like these
'all-cult' old TM haters hoping to dominate and control what gets said here on
FFL about TM and spirituality. “..An even smaller subset of these
fundamentalists can be characterized as extremists, given to violence in their
battle” -JaiGuruYou!
---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
nuances are not your strong suit Michael.
but never mind, it works for you
a sort of tunnel vision, where all roads must lead to the same conclusion.
(-:
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
You are as convinced of that blabber as a TM'er is of Marshy's sainthood.
The Hindus who slaughter their Muslim neighbors when a perceived insult is
given to some Hindu god belies you assertion, as do the vociferous Hindu
fundamentalist movement that is gaining strength since Modi took charge.
To these and the vast majority of ignorant poor peasants in India, Hinduism
IS their religion, something they are willing to kill for. It is only the
foreign dilettantes and the educated native Indian intellectuals who view
Hinduism as a philosophy.
From: "Bhairitu noozguru@...
[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield
Life
So far I haven't found a church for existentialism, have you? Much to
MJ's chagrin there is no such religion as Hinduism because it is a philosophy
called Sanatana Dharma. Now you can make a religion out of it but it was
labeled a religion by the invading Arabs not the practitioners themselves.
Any excuse to cut off heads, I guess.
I walked away from TM and TM did not come after me. Cults often do come after
you. But I certainly did see cult like behavior but many of us dismissed it.
Teachers felt that teaching meditation was a good thing but started really
questioning things after the siddhis were introduced. And after the AE courses
was when we started seeing the self appointed authoritarians. And at that I
witnessed some of those people eventually become disillusioned and walk away
too.
On 05/30/2015 08:05 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
For a Hindu it would be religious. For non- Hindus( from a Hindu
perspective) it would be CULTural. There is no conversion to Hinduism. At best
a Hindu would perceive it as *planting the seed*. Now of course when a seed
sprouts it doesn't become a full size tree over night. So, there will always be
a need for more harijans, and sudras to evolve or work their way up the ladder
in Hindu society which could take tens of thousands of life times, a real hell
on earth. You really still wanna be a Hindu? Yep, teachers recite what they are
told to recite. Do as you are told to do. I agree, the TMO is a cult. And a
very vindictive cult.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield
Life
Anotherfun verse you were all familiar with, first in its Sanskrit
transliteration, then in the "revised" translation of what it means provided
to teachers these days, and finally translated using official vocabulary sheets
provided to teachers trained on earlier courses:
KARPURA-GAURAMKARUNA-VATARAM SAMSARA-SARAM BHUJAGENDRA HARAM
SADA VASANTAM HRIDAYA RAVINDE BHAVAM BHAVANI SAHITAM NAMAMI
Currently the TM movement translates it thusly:
White as camphor, kindness incarnate, the essence of creation garlanded with
BRAHMAN, ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, the creative impulse of
cosmic life, to That, in the form of GURU DEV, I bow down.
Buta more accurate translation is:
White as camphor, the avatar of Karuna, god of Compassion, adorned with the
garland of the Serpent King, ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, to the
Lord and Lady, Shiva and Shakti together, to them I bow down.
Thistranslation is based on the Movement's own vocabulary sheets, supplied to
TM teachers in training on TTC. Note that Guru Dev, the Maharishi's teacher,
isn't mentioned at all.
Same question for the teachers -- you knew all this, and yet you told people
that TM wasn't religious. Can you provide an explanation for why you did this
other than, "I was in a cult, and so I just did what they told me to do and
said what they told me to say"?
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: FairfieldLife &! lt;[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A request for the TM teachers reading Fairfield Life
Since no one really responded to the issue I brought up in the post
titled "I think former TM teachers fear the C word because of the D word," I'll
try to put it a different way, in hopes that one of you will be able to
explain things to me and to others reading this forum.
See,here's the issue as I see it. Many of you TM teachers (or former TM
teachers) don't seem to like being referred to as cultists, but you ACTED like
cultists for many years, LYING to literally every person you instructed. In the
intro lectures you gave to these people, you parroted what you had been told
to say if the subject of religion came up -- "TM is NOT a religi! on."
WhatI'm wondering is HOW you could have said this when before you instruct
someone in TM, you have to perform a puja. You chant the puja in Sanskrit, but
you were clearly instructed on your TM Teacher Training Course to "hold the
English meaning of the words lively in your mind" as you chanted the Sanskrit
words. You were even *tested* on your ability to do this before you became a
teacher.
Sohere's the thing...here you are in the puja room, chanting in Sanskrit but
with ! the following English-languagemeaning"lively in your mind" the whole
time:
To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI
and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to
Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from
him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and
Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of
the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified
glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow
down.
To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the
two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both
expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose
door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with
immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain
complete fulfillment.
So what's up with this?
I mean, you were chanting words you *clearly knew the meaning of*, saying
that you were *bowing down* to quite a few Hindu deities, who were either
mentioned by name or by their common nicknames. You had all of this bowing
down to Hindu deities "lively in your mind" every time you instructed someone.
And yet the next ! time you gave a TM intro lecture, you looked straight into
the eyes of the people who asked you "Is TM religious?" and you told them "No.
Absolutely not. No way TM is religious."
Do you see my problem with this?
You KNEW that you were bowing down to Hindu gods. It was "lively in your
mind" during every puja. And yet in pretty much *every* intro lecture you ever
gave you said that TM was not in any way religious.
Please explain this to me.
How can a rational person NOT consider you a cultist for doing this?
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