Thanks for responding, Rick. While you're still here, can you please explain to us exactly HOW Doug will enforce the sentence I've highlighted below in red? What exactly is he allowed to do and not do "to ensure adherence to Yahoo's guidelines"?
My experience is that it's better to ask these kinds of questions *before* possible abuse of authority happens, not afterwards. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 7:57 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show We sat over this together in church the other day. It will be fine. –JaiGuruYou It was a wedding. Ordinarily you wouldn’t find me in church. Almost daily, various people urge me to moderate FFL or get someone to do it. With BatGap and my other responsibilities, I don’t have the time. I believe in very minimal moderation, at least for FFL. I think the “anything goes” nature of it has contributed to its success and longevity. But I think we are obligated to at least abide by Yahoo’s guidelines. Theoretically, frequent violation of those guidelines could get the group shut down. Doug Hamilton has volunteered to moderate and to limit his moderation to ensuring adherence to Yahoo’s guidelines and no more. He will not moderate with his puritanical Buck alter-ego. I know some will bristle at what they perceive as a restriction of their freedom of speech, but different types of speech are appropriate in different contexts, and again, in the context of a Yahoo group, we are obligated to abide by Yahoo’s guidelines. So I’m going to try this and see how it goes. If Doug abuses his authority and/or fails to moderate fairly and objectively, I will revoke his moderator status. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@...> wrote : Sad news. Might I propose, before Doug starts banning people, that you and Rick insist on a few guidelines for *him* when he does this. I'm suggesting this because I think everyone here is aware that Doug is...uh...not quite in touch with reality these days, and tends to see things that aren't really there. So what I suggest is that if he is indeed given the power to ban someone, he cannot do so without reposting *the exact post* that Doug feels is in violation of the Yahoo Guidelines, and without explaining to the group *exactly why* he thinks this poster needs to be banned. Otherwise, you know what's going to happen. Doug will just ban the people he doesn't like, without telling *anyone*, and they'll just fall off the radar because they can't post any more, either to complain or to defend themselves. I think we all know that a tyrant has just been handed the keys to the kingdom. I think we also all know what he will do with them. I'm just suggesting a procedure that insures he can't do it in secret. From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:j_alexander_stanley@...%20[FairfieldLife]"; <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moderating The Peep Show As is typically the case these days, I am completely out of the loop with respect to Rick's handling of FFL. Doug's posts this morning piqued my curiosity, and it turns out that Rick made Doug a moderator yesterday afternoon. I have no idea what Doug is supposed to do in terms of enforcement. As for me, my role will not change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Thanks R-V, I appreciate the perspective of your enlightened high-minded empathy in experience for the well-being of FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@... mailto:reverse_archery@...> wrote : Cute. When do you get to be a full moderator for this site, Doug? Is this your first official attempt? It seems you are practicing with me, or something, given the plethora of more meaningful targets available. Regardless, I wish you all the best in your new role... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : 'Don't be Unkind'. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are really quite enlightened in their guidance. For instance, “If one is constantly negative, one is heading towards trouble. By negative thinking, feeling and acting one creates dark patches and muddy colors in the aura which, in turn, prevent the flow of God's creative energy from reaching him. Without the light of God, the body starts of manifest various imbalances and one's health and lifespan is compromised. Turning to vitamins, minerals and excess sunlight does not help because the body is primarily sustained by cosmic current.” -Charles Lutes, Will and Desire, 5/3/91 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@... mailto:reverse_archery@...> wrote : Alex, before you and Rick sprain your wrists patting yourselves on the back for creating a "free speech zone", you must be aware that, contrary to the thousands of forums on Yahoo Groups, yours is not in compliance with the guidelines. Nothing to be proud of. The guidelines are not arbitrary. They are put in place to foster discussion, about anything. If you and Rick decide hands off, there is no unambiguous solution to trolling on this forum. That is why the majority of the forums, mine included, adhere to the guidelines set out by Yahoo Groups. Rick's and yours don't, and that is no occasion for congratulations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <j_alexander_stanley@... mailto:j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote : Thanks. From the very start, FFL was intended as a free speech zone. When Rick asked me to be a moderator, the job description was to handle subscriptions, keep out spammers, and make sure there's no porn or other content that would get FFL categorized as an adult group, where it would be much less visible on the 'net. For a time, I was also tasked with enforcing the moronic posting limit. WRT colloidal silver, I would only add that it should not be taken on a regular basis, and even at 20 PPM, no more than 6oz should be taken per day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@...> wrote : J Alexander Stanley is supposed to be the moderator, but he mostly is busy making colloidal silver and cooking meat at low temps for a loooooong time (wish I had some now). Personally I like his post on what he cooks better than I would any moderation stuff. And I appreciated him giving me the info on his silver maker. So thus far, I am quite pleased at the moderate role J Alexander plays as moderator. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@... mailto:reverse_archery@...> wrote : Moderation ain't working, Doug, or haven't you noticed? There basically is NO moderation on this forum. Rick has encouraged us all to ponder these deep questions, but when it attracts trolls, he bails. No problem now that I have adjusted, but let's please not act as if someone is EVER going to do anything per the Yahoo Guidelines here. It is imo a useless thing to bring up at this point. I thought you left? Left to start a group with moderation? Why not stay there if you can't cope with being here? Why the endless whining? Is it some sort of denial of service for the people who actually like it here? Are you on some sort of mission to save us from ourselves? You are the irritating troll, do you understand? You and your mates who also never contribute anything. Go away. Nothing is going to change here because we like chatting and having fun. Go away and stop spoiling it. You and your mates are tedious beyond words. Go away. You are the trolls. Go away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It is true the original post by Turqb was the meme of a slur in violation of the Yahoo-groups guidelines and should have been moderated simply then by the group owner. Moderation is simple to do, either ask someone to withdraw/delete such a post themselves or a moderator remove it and suspend the perp's membership posting privilege. Either-or. Ask the person for some self-restraint and if they don't come right through then clip their membership privilege. The Yahoo-groups guidelines are quite reasonable. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: "reverse_archery@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:reverse_archery@...%20[FairfieldLife]"; <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Peep Show How do you know no one here is a child molester? Since, for you Xeno, it doesn't qualify if someone suggests anal sex with babies, where do you personally draw the line, whether or not someone has such tendencies? I think you've sort of painted yourself into a corner on this one. I am not accusing Barry of anything... Similarly, I am not accusing Jim Flanegin from the Chico, California area of anything, just reminding him that people who boast of having a huge stash of automatic weapons and ammunition and of knowing how to create IEDs and chemical weapons might just show up in the keyword scans of Internet traffic conducted by the NSA, ATF, and Secret Service, so such bragging might not be the smartest thing for him to do.
